high compresion
#20
Ok i would do some serious research on this because the reason the lancer guys stayed at 10.5:1 as the standard piston for upping your comp ratio is because when you go above 11.0:1 you will through a CEL and would have to run seriously high octane fuel not pump gas especially at 13:1. I used to build domestiic engines(V8's) and when we built an engine with any thing over 10.5:1 we told them they were required to run a minimun of 91 octane fuel.
N1te and I just put a set of Buschur racing pistons in his lancer and they are only 10:1 and we are expecting substatial gains in torque and an increased powerband especially with some sort of management computer.
N1te and I just put a set of Buschur racing pistons in his lancer and they are only 10:1 and we are expecting substatial gains in torque and an increased powerband especially with some sort of management computer.
#21
Evolved Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I got high compression pistons in my Lancer OZ, not Ralliart. They are great but I'm running only 10.5:1 while stock is 9.5:1. Not a big change but still lots of horespower.
If you want to run 13.1:5 on your ralliart please don't drive near me. With my setup I have to stay with 13.1 Air Fuel Ratio! With a Mivec engine it would probably take some time to tune it so it will not blow up in the air + high octane gas + timing retard.
It is possible to run 13.1:5 but the gains would be to little for too much effort in tuning.
Go to google.com and do some research about compression. You will find out that one of the biggest errors people make is going too far with compression and then ending up with little gains because of all the things needed to be sacrificed in order to make things safe.
If you want to run 13.1:5 on your ralliart please don't drive near me. With my setup I have to stay with 13.1 Air Fuel Ratio! With a Mivec engine it would probably take some time to tune it so it will not blow up in the air + high octane gas + timing retard.
It is possible to run 13.1:5 but the gains would be to little for too much effort in tuning.
Go to google.com and do some research about compression. You will find out that one of the biggest errors people make is going too far with compression and then ending up with little gains because of all the things needed to be sacrificed in order to make things safe.
#23
Evolved Member
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My friend has a non vTEC integra GSR and is running 12.5 compression on his b18. He was thinking about getting the vTEC head and just running stock compression, but he is much faster without vTEC. Also after hearing his engine revv its sounds sick... and with his other support mods he said he's smoking rsx-s left and right.
#24
Evolving Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: CT
Posts: 188
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by mojambo
if you get the head milled, would you need an engine management system? or would the piggy be sufficient?
normally they shave em when the head gets slightly warped from blowing a head gasket or when rebuilding a high milage engine,etc....
or when you want to squeeze a few more ponies, on my cousins 88 crx si we were able to get an 8 whp increase at peak! not bad for just shaving the head, on my d16 sohc vtec we only got 3-5 whp at peak, still not bad....
i can only imagine the newer head was a more effient desing.
another little trick would be to get a thinner headgasket, same concept. i cant remember which company it was but back in my honda days i knew of a company that would make headgaskets for any car at the thickness you specify, even thicker if you so wanted it.
you could get a thicker hg to lower comp instead of changing pistons to run even safer w/ a turbo setup.
#25
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (26)
Originally Posted by MitsuRalliArt
A trubo causes at least twice as much stress on the engine in comparission to a simple compression increase. 13.1 can easily be done if the car is run rich from idle to about 4000 rpms on pump gas. Race gas (100 octane) would be ideal.
Gaines could easily be 20 - 25 whp. Losses could be a blown engine if you run in to some serious detonation due to lack of proper engine management. You can't just drop pistons into a car. It's not like an intake.
Gaines could easily be 20 - 25 whp. Losses could be a blown engine if you run in to some serious detonation due to lack of proper engine management. You can't just drop pistons into a car. It's not like an intake.
Timing at times is over 30 degrees advanced... on 13:1 you'll not likely be going for long on pump gas. The compression increase involved in Forced induction is not the same as on the NA setup. I don't want to go into detail only tell you that going past 11:1 on an NA setup isn't easy without race gas or timing control. If you have a way to control timing it's not as bad but 13:1 will be pushing it since the compression rate, even rich, will be more susceptable to spontanious combustion occurances(preignition). Not so much the detonation it's the preignition that will get you.
#29
Evolved Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wonder what the cost difference is between building a higher comp. motor vs. going FI is. What about the reliability. Say the goal is 200WHP. I'm willing to bet its probably cheaper an safer to attain that goal on the 4G69 motor buy going FI then NA (HC).
#30
Evolved Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,387
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
High compression is more reliable than boosting and you stay emission legal. Pistons are forged and more durable. The only thing you have to worry about is not get any crazy mods in without tunning the fuel maps. For example camshaft that would change your fuel delivery or something like that. You probably would not detonate but probably slowly melt away the combustion chamber.
Turbo is cool but always have to worry about the oil and then the fuel delivery and emission. There are few people with Lancer OZs that will be trying to catch up with the stage 1 turbo with just NA mods. Soon it will be possible and the costs will be a bit lower than turbo.
Turbo is cool but always have to worry about the oil and then the fuel delivery and emission. There are few people with Lancer OZs that will be trying to catch up with the stage 1 turbo with just NA mods. Soon it will be possible and the costs will be a bit lower than turbo.