LATEST MOTOR Trend: Ralliart 0-60 5.6s, 0.89g skidpad
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LATEST MOTOR Trend: Ralliart 0-60 5.6s, 0.89g skidpad
A few thoughts...
The 5.6 seconds to 60...we know how to get it there (brake-torque). Is this the same magazine that said that's how they achieved 5.6, or was that Car and Driver?
The 0.89 g....how do you come up with a number that's >10% above where everybody else says the car is? I think I recall hearing once that skidpad numbers can't really be compared perfectly because some mags use one size of skidpad, while others use a different size (200 ft. vs. 300 ft. or something).
Your comments please...
The 5.6 seconds to 60...we know how to get it there (brake-torque). Is this the same magazine that said that's how they achieved 5.6, or was that Car and Driver?
The 0.89 g....how do you come up with a number that's >10% above where everybody else says the car is? I think I recall hearing once that skidpad numbers can't really be compared perfectly because some mags use one size of skidpad, while others use a different size (200 ft. vs. 300 ft. or something).
Your comments please...
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I saw that today also. I was pretty happy with those numbers. The brakes were a little disappointing though.
Also, some have mentioned that the SST tranny is not good to torque load it with the brakes. I don't know about that, since it obviously gets loaded on the MR during launch mode. As far as the G's, I personally don't think it will be that big of a deal in daily driving. If you want one to Auto X then time to be concerned.
Also, some have mentioned that the SST tranny is not good to torque load it with the brakes. I don't know about that, since it obviously gets loaded on the MR during launch mode. As far as the G's, I personally don't think it will be that big of a deal in daily driving. If you want one to Auto X then time to be concerned.
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200' skidpad is the standard size and what I'd expect all magazines to use. However, if they're not using the same skidpad, then the results aren't comparable, due to differences in surfaces, cleanliness, etc.
It's pretty obvious, from the various tests out there, that the first thing every owner will need to do is put a wider wheel/tire combination on the car.
It's pretty obvious, from the various tests out there, that the first thing every owner will need to do is put a wider wheel/tire combination on the car.
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A bunch sources have claimed the Ralliart is showing 0.80g. I just can't see myself driving an all-wheel drive "sport sedan" that can't pull more lateral g-load than a 6-year-old Buick, especially when the Ralliart is running ****ing summer rubber on 18s. I have definitely found the point on the Buick where the grip begins to run out. That's fine. It's a Buick. I won't tolerate that on a sporty car.
That said, I'm still very much interested in the Ralliart, but it needs to represent a considerable upgrade from what I have now in every aspect, not just acceleration and looks. If it can't do what I want, I guess I'm either getting a Legacy 2.5 GT, waiting for the WRX to get de-uglied, saving for an Evo, or hunting for another nice AWD option.
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Here's my issue...I drive a 2003 Century. Nice car, decent motor, handles a bit better since I upgraded my tires, but it's still a boat, and it's not that fast. At times, it's like driving a couch. The Cars.com database lists my Century as 0.78g on the skidpad. (It's also worth noting that the car does this on P205/70SR15 rubber.) I figure with the new tires (a decent set of Goodyear all seasons), I'm at or near 0.80. They list it at ~3350 pounds, so it's a bit lighter than the Ralliart...let's blame the all-wheel drive gear. Anyhow...
A bunch sources have claimed the Ralliart is showing 0.80g. I just can't see myself driving an all-wheel drive "sport sedan" that can't pull more lateral g-load than a 6-year-old Buick, especially when the Ralliart is running ****ing summer rubber on 18s. I have definitely found the point on the Buick where the grip begins to run out. That's fine. It's a Buick. I won't tolerate that on a sporty car.
That said, I'm still very much interested in the Ralliart, but it needs to represent a considerable upgrade from what I have now in every aspect, not just acceleration and looks. If it can't do what I want, I guess I'm either getting a Legacy 2.5 GT, waiting for the WRX to get de-uglied, saving for an Evo, or hunting for another nice AWD option.
MY SOURCE FOR BUICK STATS: http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimC...=USB30BUC011A0
A bunch sources have claimed the Ralliart is showing 0.80g. I just can't see myself driving an all-wheel drive "sport sedan" that can't pull more lateral g-load than a 6-year-old Buick, especially when the Ralliart is running ****ing summer rubber on 18s. I have definitely found the point on the Buick where the grip begins to run out. That's fine. It's a Buick. I won't tolerate that on a sporty car.
That said, I'm still very much interested in the Ralliart, but it needs to represent a considerable upgrade from what I have now in every aspect, not just acceleration and looks. If it can't do what I want, I guess I'm either getting a Legacy 2.5 GT, waiting for the WRX to get de-uglied, saving for an Evo, or hunting for another nice AWD option.
MY SOURCE FOR BUICK STATS: http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimC...=USB30BUC011A0
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Wow, relax man. I remember long time ago that the first Evo that was brought to the US only produced .89g or .90g. The skidpad number from this test is not bad at all especially from a car that weighs close to 3,500 pounds and tires that are way are too narrow and or don't have enough stickiness to its rubber compound. Skidpad numbers are not absolute indicators of handling performance. We will not be certain of what the Ra will be capable of until we get much more data released from magazines and people that will actually own the Ra. Keep in mind that the variables to consider in these test such as driver skill, traction conditions, and weather conditions can vary significantly from mag to mag. Don't give up on the Ra yet.
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Wow, relax man. I remember long time ago that the first Evo that was brought to the US only produced .89g or .90g. The skidpad number from this test is not bad at all especially from a car that weighs close to 3,500 pounds and tires that are way are too narrow and or don't have enough stickiness to its rubber compound. Skidpad numbers are not absolute indicators of handling performance. We will not be certain of what the Ra will be capable of until we get much more data released from magazines and people that will actually own the Ra. Keep in mind that the variables to consider in these test such as driver skill, traction conditions, and weather conditions can vary significantly from mag to mag. Don't give up on the Ra yet.
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I saw that today also. I was pretty happy with those numbers. The brakes were a little disappointing though.
Also, some have mentioned that the SST tranny is not good to torque load it with the brakes. I don't know about that, since it obviously gets loaded on the MR during launch mode. As far as the G's, I personally don't think it will be that big of a deal in daily driving. If you want one to Auto X then time to be concerned.
Also, some have mentioned that the SST tranny is not good to torque load it with the brakes. I don't know about that, since it obviously gets loaded on the MR during launch mode. As far as the G's, I personally don't think it will be that big of a deal in daily driving. If you want one to Auto X then time to be concerned.
The next question is whether brake torquing is all that bad for the SST. With two different mags potentially having done it now, I have to think that Mitsu is telling them it's okay to do .
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