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Old Sep 26, 2008, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jwoods986
Since when is a 5.4 sec. 0-60 and 14.1 1/4 mile considered slow? In fact, the RA is as fast, or faster, than the other 3 up to 70.
Good point as on the daily drive the Ralliart will be the quickest car from light to light as you rarely will hit 80+ mph in the city.
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Originally Posted by ExcessLancer
Maybe i sound stupid but, a FWD mazda should never ever out handle an AWD turbo mitsu it just does not sound right at all... I hope mitsu fixes this issue since the EVO9 AWD is a bit selling point of the ralliart...
Well it should be noted that the ralliart will be the best daily driver for people that live in northern states or Canada in the winter as the EVO IX's AWD system is easily the best for slippery roads and snow.

One factor that is getting overlooked is that 3/4 cars are pretty homley. Ralliart is miles ahead for looks which will be a determining factor for many alone.
Old Sep 26, 2008, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyD
Good point as on the daily drive the Ralliart will be the quickest car from light to light as you rarely will hit 80+ mph in the city.
POint taken!
Old Sep 26, 2008, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyD
Good point as on the daily drive the Ralliart will be the quickest car from light to light as you rarely will hit 80+ mph in the city.
How did you get that bit of info? The Ralliart didn't have the fastest 0-60 so how on earth would it be the faster daily driver?
Old Sep 26, 2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyD
That's power is due more from benefits of direct injection and higher compression ratio's than the turbocharger itself. MS6 is slower than an Eclipse GT for crying out loud.
The MS6 isn't competition for the Ralliart, it's a completely different kind of car (ie. a luxury saloon rather than a boy racer).
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Originally Posted by ExcessLancer
Maybe i sound stupid but, a FWD mazda should never ever out handle an AWD turbo mitsu it just does not sound right at all... I hope mitsu fixes this issue since the EVO9 AWD is a bit selling point of the ralliart...
I'm sure this has more to do with the sticky RE050s the Mazdaspeed comes with than any other factor.
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Originally Posted by heavyD
You're really just speculating. Until the car gets into the hands of tuning shops we really won't know.
The car is already in the hands of tuning shops and in one thread I remember TD04 being mentioned. I don't think it was confirmed though but I wouldn't be surprised. Logically it can't be a 16G since that would be the same turbo as an Evo thus it is likely a 13G or 13T.
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just because it would be a 16G , its still can be a lesser flowing turbo
There is more then there just numbers.
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Originally Posted by heavyD
Well it should be noted that the ralliart will be the best daily driver for people that live in northern states or Canada in the winter as the EVO IX's AWD system is easily the best for slippery roads and snow.

One factor that is getting overlooked is that 3/4 cars are pretty homley. Ralliart is miles ahead for looks which will be a determining factor for many alone.
Again, how do you come to that conclusion? I had a blast with my WRX in the winter months and I was still on the stock RE92s. The Ralliart's weight will hurt it during the winter as well.
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
just because it would be a 16G , its still can be a lesser flowing turbo
There is more then there just numbers.
True but I highly suspect they went down to a significantly smaller turbo in order to reduce power output and to make the power come on sooner.
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Originally Posted by MrBonus
I'm sure this has more to do with the sticky RE050s the Mazdaspeed comes with than any other factor.
You think that only, will do it?
i'm not really familiar with those and the ra tires.
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While the WRX was quicker to 60, look at what had to be done to achieve that feat. Who's going to launch their WRX at every stoplight? The SST and small turbo/intercooler makes this fat boat responsive and quick for everyday driving.

I noticed that the final drive for the RA is 4.0 versus 4.6 for the EVO, so it *could have been* even quicker to 60...at the expense of gas mileage, noise, and highway cruising.
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I think the RA tires are Advan somethings.
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Originally Posted by RS-0
While the WRX was quicker to 60, look at what had to be done to achieve that feat. Who's going to launch their WRX at every stoplight? The SST and small turbo/intercooler makes this fat boat responsive and quick for everyday driving.

I noticed that the final drive for the RA is 4.0 versus 4.6 for the EVO, so it *could have been* even quicker to 60...at the expense of gas mileage, noise, and highway cruising.
Do you think the RA wasn't launched? Past reviews have seen 7 second 0-60 times, how did Road and Track cut more than a second off the time? I bet they launched it just as hard as the others.
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Do you think the RA wasn't launched? Past reviews have seen 7 second 0-60 times, how did Road and Track cut more than a second off the time? I bet they launched it just as hard as the others.
They power-braked the Lancer. Says it right in the sidebar. Presumably they launched all four cars as hard as conditions, tires, and testicular fortitude would allow.


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