Sorry OP, but the can has been opened. This thread is for anyone interested in the matter.

The base camaro msrp (304HP DI V6 out of a caddy CTS) is $22.9k.. The V8 is $30.9k msrp with a $3k discount at launch. My point is that for slightly more than a V6 gen coupe you can get a 370Z, or two different V8 cars (mustang, camaro) with more tuning options. Oh, and I'd rather have a "bottom barrel" V8 that still puts out more power than a supercharged, and tuned V6 - especially when the v8 is a for 4.6 or a small block chevy.

Fine, the base V6 gen coupe is the same price as the base v6 camaro. Which one you like more is up to you. Both make practically the same power. While I can't say from first hand experience, based in my seat time in a pontiac G8, the chassis is excellent, and from everything i've heard, the camaro is even sportier.

Whether ralliart owners are blind to facts or not, I don't know - I'm not an R/A owner. Really, you're the one who appears to be a victim of fanboyism. You just can't see how the V6 gen coupe is not that great of a deal like hyundai said it would be.

I've personally been considering the Gen coupe since it was first unveiled - and I still am. But I'll make sure I take into account all the possible options, which is pretty broad considering all the great cars that are out, or will be out soon. I won't be a sucker. Especially not for a company that tries to liken (though laughably) it's sports coupe to an infinity g37 rather than a 370Z (LOL). Oh, and edmunds V6 genesis priced out at $30.3k (LOL).

You can point to all sorts of graphs relating to vehicle reliability all you want, but the lancer evos have proven themselves time and time again to be reliable under all sorts of tough conditions. This is good news for R/A owners because they get much of the current and previous gen Evo goodies.


OP - what else do you need to know about the two cars you're considering? We already discussed them. We're just opening up the playing field for everyone else.

 

The only cheap panel in the Coupe is the top of the door panel. While you may not like the interior, I personally don't think it is great either, the RA has what, 3 round buttons for a console? It's obvious to me the RA cut corners, the problem is they did not cut the price. I am not here to knock the RA, I like it. Just being real. Is the COUPE great, hell no. But like I said several times already, if I wanted luxury interior, I would not be shopping econo boxes, I would be shopping BMW and Porsche and AUDI.

 

They compare the COUPE to the G37 in performance, posted those numbers several pages ago. Very close in numbers, at 10k cheaper price. Interior may be lacking but you can have the entire interior covered in Alcantara for 10k!!

Graphs=facts. Yes the MITSU line is obviously better despite the numbers done by professional companies that make their living by providing such numbers for the industry. Again, blind in the face of facts.

I am no fanboy of any of these cars. Never even owned a turbo car. I have been shopping and learning about all these cars. Just here to talk cars. Some of you guys get way too touchy about defending your purchase.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE RA!! It is a very good car and with the AWD is hard to beat for the Northern climates, especially if you don't like to shift. It has great interior room also. Lets just keep it real. It IS NOT the best sedan ever made.

 

The RA has a very simple and plain interior and it is what it is as it doesn't pretend to look fancy. IMO its better than an interior such as the Genesis coupe where they tried to make it look similar to a G37 but the execution is laughable. Even the WRX interior which was an attempt at style with poor quality hard plastics comes off as feeling more substantial than the Genesis coupe's interior.

While I like the overall shape of the Genesis Coupe the front end doesn't look good in person. The car offers alot for the dollar but my impression in person was of a dime-store G37 knockoff. With a maxed out fuel system and tiny turbocharger you are going to have to spend $$$ to get close to stock WRX performance.

 

I agree on all points. The only problem with the WRX is the Kaboom problem, hopefully solved now! The looks don't thrill me but the drive was damn nice and for the money, you are right, the power is killer!!

 

Uhhhhh.... VW has best interiors for the money. Anything above that, the best you'll get is...guess who.... Audi!


the mitsu interior design is more mature. Yeah, they use hard plastics everywhere, but everyone else in the segment besides VW does too. It's not a matter of materials, but a matter of design. I think the three knobs is clean and elegant (I just wish they were machined from metal as well as the interior door handles) and doesn't interrupt the dash design.

I find the gen coupe dash looks like they tried too hard, and instead made it a bit too busy. Plus, it looks better in pictures than in real life, whereas I find the mitsu to be the opposite.

Both are practical econoboxes, so you won't get a badass interior in either - but my subjective vote goes for the R/A. There's really no right or wrong here.

 

ill admit it. I went over to the gencoupe forum to have a read and holy crap, there is some crazy *** talk goin on. I mean some outrageous stuff. Its fun, you should check it out.

 

Why not compare it to the correct car in the segment? The gen coupe vs. G37 is a total marketing ploy by hyundai. That way, they can make the V6 sound like a better deal than it actually is. Do you think the hyundai will be able to out-perform a 370Z? Nope - and they cost the same! Oh, and the nissan has a better interior


Also, you can't turn any car into an upper segment luxury sports car just by adding alcantara. We're talking about switchgear, sound deadening, suspension, etc...


I don't care what the graph says because it includes cars we don't care about. I don't care if every other mitsu car is garbage - because the Evo is not. I'm not defending it because I own one (I DON'T), I'm defending it because it's true.

I've owned, and driven all sorts of cars from 1.6l 4-cylinders all the way up to built V8s. I'm just here to talk cars, too. I don't know why you get so bent out of shape when I say the V6 gen coupe isn't a good deal. I'm not defending my purchase, because my current daily driver is a leased base impreza. I don't know what car I'm getting when my lease is up, and frankly, I don't even care at the moment.

Many people complain about the price of the R/A, but the fact of the matter is that you do get what you pay for. Especially considering I met someone who payed close to $30k for a tiburon

 

Im just sayin that if your not pushining any new technology or performance limits, one would assume you are building some pretty reliable stuff.

 

This is perfect timing. Cross Comparos for V6 and 2.0. You guys will tear this up!!!

V6
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/10c...thumb1280x1280

2.0
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/10c...thumb1280x1280

 

I guess this is true to some degree. Of course Buick pushed performance and technology limits in the past with the GS, GSX, GN, GNX and seemed to be OK.

 

Those links proved much of what I said.

 

Good points. I never said the V6 was a great deal, I just said compared to the G37 it is a great deal. The G37 does not impress me much either. The 370z does.

 

Amen to that. Hyundai better hope the aftermarket can do something with the 2.0t, that is laughable in stock form. The V6 is struggling also, but is a lot cheaper.

 

I think the infinity is pretty inside and out. It should have never been compared to the gen coupe because it's a different class of car. The infinity is a mix of performance and luxury comfort - the gen coupe is not. This is the same marketing crap hyundai pulled when they compared the sonata, and azura to some BMW models. So, like I said, the V6 gen coupe should be compared to a 370Z - a car that beats it in almost any category.

Gen coupe I4 turbo

Gen coupe V6