Also, keep in mind that the COUPE is a first attempt. The Rustang and Camaro have 40+ years of development going into those cars. Hyundai will get better as they learn.

 

i just read this post on my iphone as the susbscription email update. and you my friend should be working for hyundai if your not already on their payrol. i'm strongly debating to trade in my evo ix se for a 2.0t track package. and this post pretty much sums up my decision and all i gotta do is just sit in one now and see how it all feels.


Eddie Rosado

 

K, couple things here. RA's can be had for 24k. Hell i paid 24k for mine back in October, so if someone pays more then that now they're crazy. Right now the best car to buy for the money is the Evo X. Those can be had for 27-28k, and that's about right where the 2.0T Track model gen coupe sits at (not 25-26k like you said). 30mpg, to me, is a bit optimistic. You take a 3300lb RWD car and i dont see it getting that kinda mileage. My 07' Civic, 2800lb dinker, could barely maintain 31-32 on the highway (stated at 38 mpg). Might want to let the car come out first before we really get any real world numbers. True numbers might be hard to obtain beecause Everyone on gencoupe.com is in la la land. First they thought the 2.0T was running only 3lbs of boost and thought they could get 300+whp with a simple boost controller. Next they think the open deck design will not hinder their capabilities for big power. After AEM stated the injectors are 335cc and almost maxed out 97% in their stock form, the members continued to say "well yeah, but that's 97% of 80%!!!" Then they thought they would pickup between 30-50WHP from a simple tune on the 3.8 V6 (most members still believe 350+whp is obtainable on the 3.8 NA when it dynos 235 stock). Then another member told us he knows he would be spanked by his friends mustang and another friends challenger, but that he could "totally drift around a corner faster". I've always been taught that when things are too good to be true, they usually are. So while i'm hoping the car does well, i still think there will be a weak point somewhere along the line.

 

Clarify something for me please,

Isn't the Gen replacing the Tiburon?

And if it is, Isn't the Gen based on the Tiburon?

That, if so, would make the Gen a much older Coupe....

But I'm not to sure of that. Haven't read much on it.

 

Considering the Tiburon is a front wheel drive car, I don't see how there is any relation what so ever. I do not think it is a sports car either, just a small two door car that competed with say a Ford Escort. If you are using that argument, all cars have an engine and suspension so after 100 years of development of the automobile, all manufacturers should be able to make their cars handle like a twin turbo porsche. The chassis in the Coupe is all new, as is the entire car, including engine, suspension, transmission. So, it is a true first gen.

 

Let's just keep things real here. While it is true, that due to poor sales, Mitsu has lowered its pricing to move vehicles. There is no way to know if, or how much Hyundai will move on price. So lets just keep the conversation focused on sticker pricing or invoice pricing.

Here are the facts. No the car is not 27-28k for the 2.0t.

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe:
2.0T, manual: listed retail price: $22,000, invoice price: $20,930
2.0T, automatic: listed retail price: $23,250, invoice price: $22,106
2.0T Premium, manual: listed retail price: $24,250, invoice price: $23,046
2.0T Premium, automatic: listed retail price: $25,500, invoice price: $24,220
2.0T Track, manual: listed retail price: $26,750, invoice price: $25,396
R Spec: listed retail price: $23,750, invoice price: not yet available
3.8, manual: listed retail price: $25,000, invoice price: $23,500
3.8, automatic: listed retail price: $26,500, invoice price: $24,895
3.8 Grand Touring, manual: listed retail price: $27,500, invoice price: $25,825
3.8 Grand Touring, automatic: listed retail price: $29,000, invoice price: $27,220
3.8 Track, manual: listed retail price: $29,500, invoice price: $27,685
3.8 Track, automatic: listed retail price: $31,000, invoice price: $29,080

Also, the MPG is set by the government. While we all know that those numbers vary with driver tendencies, there is a good chance it could get even better. All on running regular 87 vs. all other turbo cars except the Cobalt SS REQUIRE premium. The six speed and gearing make a difference. HONDA CIVIC has NO TORQUE so it is going to need different gearing to be able to move that car. You can't compare like that.


Lets not forget that when the RA came out, many found hindrances to performance also. There seems to be more options (after 6 months) for there to be marginal power gains from tunes and chips. No massive HP for the RA yet due to the trans and other limits of turbo etc. So lets not dismiss the potential on a car that has not even begun to be developed by the aftermarket in the US. There is a COUPE with a GT30R upgrade turbo that made 360+ whp. That to me is more than enough in a small car for daily driving that will have less than 30k into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

Injectors are an EASY fix.

Make no mistake, in stock form the COUPE will get beat by many cars. It is not going to be the fastest. It is trying to offer sportiness at a well optioned reasonable price.

Remember that the RA offers the same thing. SURELY NOT the fastest and most certainly not the cheapest. It offers a sporty option. Not the end all beat all of performance cars.

As far as the block, the Caliber SRT4 uses the same block and is making 400-500hp so I see no reason why the COUPE won't be able to hold at least 350-400hp reliably.

I guess if the block is weak, it may be possible to put the X engine in there.

There is no arguing that the X is going to tear up the COUPE if you can get them at 27-28k, it is a very good deal. Those that bought the first RA's cannot be too happy about that!!!!! I have seen the MR getting 8k in discounts.

 

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Good enough. thanks for clarifying

I should've done my research.

 

Yeah and the government also tells me my RA should get 25mpg on the highway. The gen coupe will not see 30mpg on the highway unless there's a tailwind and its behind a semi. If you think a 3300lb RWD, SMALL turbo (less lag, consistently in boost) will get the same gas mileage as a 2800lb FWD, no turbo, 1.8liter Civic then you're high. Do i see it getting mid 20's, definitely but not 30+. And if injectors are an easy fix then i guess replacing the RA intercooler is an easy fix (both weakpoints). And the trans is not the limiting factor as to why there isnt bigger power out there, it's the lack of aftermarket support. Support should pick up once the sportback model is introduced. But it still wont be monsterous support like the gen coupe has.

What i'm looking forward to is dropping a new X turbo in the RA. Should be a great upgrade for us instead of trying to do every bolt on imaginable.

The gen coupe is not at all a bad car, but i dont want to get my hopes up just yet.

 

I agree. I still think the highway MPG will be very good. I was just pointing out the injectors because that was an area of weakness. I do not think the RA intercooler is an impedance to increased power at this point. It may not be heavy duty, but it can still do the job. If the RA does not sell in higher numbers, I think the aftermarket will lag or cease. The Coupe is going to have everything as soon as it hits the ground. The limits will be tested early. Many tuners have bought COUPES, few if any bought RA's. The only parts for the RA are based off customer cars. When you have a car IN SHOP, you can play around when you are bored so there will be much more experimention.

I am keeping my hopes high, we will see.

 

Exactly, shops are buying the gen coupe to do research on. That's huge for development. And you're right, i dont think any shops have purchased a RA. I think it's due to the parts used on the RA. The suspension pieces can be take from the GTS aftermarket, the drivetrain can be taken from the Evo aftermarket and the rest of the custom parts are easily designed off of a customer car.

 

the RA intercoolers are pretty weak. the intake air temp doubles as you go up in RPMs... which shouldnt be happening. and with a FMIC upgrade the temp only goes up a couple degrees.

 

As I mentioned earlier, the COUPE intercooler is no taller than a pack of smokes.

 

You can get V8 mustangs easily for $25k.

A base Camaro with a 300+ HP engine will start out at less than $23k!!
A Camaro SS will start around 27-28k - which is a much better choice than the 3.8L Hyundai V6.

I'm sure that in some trim the hyundai will beat an R/A in various races. That's not necessairly the point, nor is it all to the story. The R/A for one has more practicality. Second, it has AWD. Neither of those things are necessarily important to all buyers, though. So, what's my point? With the R/A, I truly believe you get what you pay for. Lots of great hardware waiting to be exploited. Like I said before, the hyundai is also a bargain, but only if we're talking about the 4 cylinder model. The V6 is too expensive considering there are better choices for the money.

Naturally aspirated engines take a lot more money and work to get power out of, unless they're really undertuned. I doubt this is the case with the hyundai V6. Looking under the hood, and the intake plenum hardly looks performance oriented. If I wanted a V6 coupe, I'd spend the extra $2k and get a 370z.

Eddie, I think you would find yourself greatly disappointed going from an Evo IX to a Genesis coupe regardless of trim level or package. The Evo will take it in most likely every single way possible.

The strength of the SST hasn't been determined yet. Has anyone toasted one yet? The only people that have had problems were the ones who were using piggybacks like the Z-chip. AMS and GST haven't reported transmission related issues when tuning the cars.

The R/A can make a decent little additional chunk of power with a simple tune. The hyundai may require some bolt-ons first. Either way, once you start adding some simple hardware, both should tune easily, and make a reasonable amount of power. I only say that the R/A should reliably make more because it has what's practically an evo engine. There's some good hardware in there.

Of course pro tuners are jumping on the bandwagon, and buying the turbo coups because:
1.) They are cheap
2.) Lots of people are going to buy them because they are cheap (see #1)
3.) Lots of people think coupes are hot.
4.) They come stock with the type of engine the 240SX should have had in America.

So, as I've said before - the turbo coupe is a bargain, with what will certainly be huge aftermarket support. The V6 coupe is not a bargain.

 

Give it 2-3 years and the gen coupe will be the new Neon SRT-4. Hyundai's resale value + lots of aftermarket support + decent amount of coupes to go around = new boy racer.