09 RA for first vehicle
#271
<25yrs old is the most dangerous class of drivers. Although that doesn't mean everyone in that group is. I didn't get into an accident until I was 24 (then I got in two, doh!), but luckily one was below 5mph and only wrecked the bumper cover on my rental car, and the other time I hydroplaned across 4 lanes on I-75, but luckily missed everyone. So what does that mean? Perhaps I was luckily, or just simply didn't take as many risks. I definitely a more aggressive driver now than ever (just about 26yrs old), but I also have a bit of experience, and likely to know if something is stupid before I do it.
Of course, everyone, especially teens like to think that they already know everything and can do no wrong. While of course, no one knows everything and I'm just exaggerating a bit, I look back when I was that age, as well as other people who currently are, and it's apparent that that sort of logic prevails. Not everyone is like that, but many if not most are. Nothing replaces experience, common sense, and awareness. You can gain some common sense through experience, and you only gain experience over time. Though some ways, like driving on a track, and taking lessons will get you more of it quicker.
Of course, everyone, especially teens like to think that they already know everything and can do no wrong. While of course, no one knows everything and I'm just exaggerating a bit, I look back when I was that age, as well as other people who currently are, and it's apparent that that sort of logic prevails. Not everyone is like that, but many if not most are. Nothing replaces experience, common sense, and awareness. You can gain some common sense through experience, and you only gain experience over time. Though some ways, like driving on a track, and taking lessons will get you more of it quicker.
#272
There is no denying that young drivers are the highest risk group. The stats clearly show this and you do not say otherwise. This is accepted.
Performance cars are a higher risk factor. Again, insurance (and thus stats) support this as performance cars have higher insurance due to their higher accident incidence.
Now then, if we take a high risk group and apply a higher risk factor, it goes to reason that the risk of an accident increases. Given that the two main reasons for young driver accidents are inexperience and speed, a car that A. allows for a higher speed faster (thus making speeding easier) and B. gives the driver a naive sense of invincibility (we all know this) is not a good idea.
#273
People are also missing the point entirely, the increased risk is but one factor as to why some of us think a 40000$ (he's in Canada) car is a silly idea for a just turned 18 year old.
#274
Real mature on the signature Amby, you clearly are an adult. You still have no evidence to prove that faster cars are what cause the accidents or that they help at all. It makes sense in older drivers but for that small percentage (but still greater percentage then in other driver groups) of teenagers that drive like idiots, it doesn't matter what they drive they will still drive like an ***. We know about your other points, and they've been discussed. Once again, they make sense but they aren't the only way to do things.
#275
Did I state who said those things? No, I'm free to have an opinion and those two quotes are what stick in my mind at the moment. Eventually they'll get changed to something else, Evom is a big site after all.
How are you not getting it? Teenagers are a high risk group, fast cars a known risk factor, it goes to reason that if you apply a risk factor to any group, the risk will increase (hence the term, risk factor).
How are you not getting it? Teenagers are a high risk group, fast cars a known risk factor, it goes to reason that if you apply a risk factor to any group, the risk will increase (hence the term, risk factor).
#276
What makes this all the better is that the "facts" support our advice, not theirs. According to the "facts", fast cars and young males don't mix but they apparently want to ignore the facts and the opinions and just live in their dream world where the Ralliart is the best car ever and can take on Corvettes .
#277
^ there are no facts to support your advice. Secondly, as i proved before, the odds are greater of him being a safe teen-aged driver. Continue to view the world through this paradigm of yours however.
#278
Lol, just what I was thinking. I know I "tremble" when a RA shoots past me but maybe that's because I can't stop laughing.
#279
Again, we know that young drivers are a higher risk group, we know that performance cars are a risk factor, it's logical to extrapolate what the result is. Do you also deny the evidence that alcohol and driving don't mix because there are no tests using a specific brand of beer? This is common sense really. We're also not saying "if he buys this car, he will be in an accident", we're saying that since he's already in a high risk group, it'd be silly to add to that. You're right, most young drivers are fine but some still die from. Most people who drive drunk get home without any problem, but we don't exactly suggest that now do we? It's about minimizing your risks. Moreover, as I said before, people are focusing on a single facet of our stance.
#280
How'd i know you'd eventually bring up that point that is not even close to the same thing. Alcohol affects the body regardless of age, sex, race etc. Therefore it is in fact the same across the board. That has indeed been proven.
#281
And performance cars have the same effect, that is they are an increased risk for all age groups.
#282
ohhh for christ sake!!! could some body put a sock in this kids mouth.
so what I was over on my vette pricing I admitted to that if you pay closer attention you can see that in my posts.
my whole point is a modded RA is much less then a vette and ra could potentially run vette numbers.
Like I said I know all that is different from the EVO X an 09 RA I don't have to list every single detail especially if your aruguements do not justify that the EVO X and RA are not in the same league.
so what I was over on my vette pricing I admitted to that if you pay closer attention you can see that in my posts.
my whole point is a modded RA is much less then a vette and ra could potentially run vette numbers.
Like I said I know all that is different from the EVO X an 09 RA I don't have to list every single detail especially if your aruguements do not justify that the EVO X and RA are not in the same league.
Last edited by RotorGlowRA82; Apr 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM.
#285
if any of your information was useful op would be highly active in this thread.
Your information has not brought his attention to this thread once. He has made a total of 2 comments lol.
Why don't you start a thread of "WHY TEENAGERS SHOULD NOT GET SPORTS CARS" and let this thread live again.
Hell you'll probrably make the kid go to another forum.
Your information has not brought his attention to this thread once. He has made a total of 2 comments lol.
Why don't you start a thread of "WHY TEENAGERS SHOULD NOT GET SPORTS CARS" and let this thread live again.
Hell you'll probrably make the kid go to another forum.