09 ralliart vs 09 wrx
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Which would be putting a BBK on their cars. Which is contradictory to what you said about BBKs being useless for street cars. That's really all there is to it. If people "feel" they "need" a BBK and its "cheap" to them that could be a recommendation too. Sudenly you sound very vague for a person whose supposed to be so smart and analytical and scientific.
Here's an example. If you had these choices for a daily driven car (I'm just making this numbers up, so go with me):
- Spend $5k to cut 60-0 braking distance by 20 feet and brake fade by 50%
- Spend $1,500 to cut 60-0 braking distance by 15 and brake fade by 25%
- Spend $500 to cut 60-0 braking distance by 20 feet and brake fade by 5%
The reason I added option #2 the way I did is because I know people who have experienced it. From what I've seen, #2 best represents what would happen if you elected to swap in a brake kit from another car, both in cost and performance.My friend, who traded in his GSX (with aftermarket rotors and pads, but nothing else) for an EVO VIII, saw a very noticeable decrease in breaking performance for the street. Once the EVO's brakes warmed up, however, it was a different story.
The point of all of this is that a BBK, no matter how you define it, might not be the right modification for a daily driven car, even if you were to get a cheaper set, such as from a swap.
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Just out of curiosity, have you heard of the phrase "cost benefit analysis"? Right now, the only BBK available for the RA is made by K Sport, and for the 13" system, it is $2,500 each for front and rear. $5k is a lot of money to spend on a car. If that car happens to be a dedicated track car, then that money might be worth it. If that car is a daily driver, then that $5k might be better spent elsewhere.
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You don't just post in this section. You talk the car down and its owners whenever you feel like theres too much enthusaism for it. Its happened in several threads and other people have pointed it out.
Leave me out of your fantasies.
Which would be putting a BBK on their cars. Which is contradictory to what you said about BBKs being useless for street cars. That's really all there is to it. If people "feel" they "need" a BBK and its "cheap" to them that could be a recommendation too. Sudenly you sound very vague for a person whose supposed to be so smart and analytical and scientific.
Leave me out of your fantasies.
Which would be putting a BBK on their cars. Which is contradictory to what you said about BBKs being useless for street cars. That's really all there is to it. If people "feel" they "need" a BBK and its "cheap" to them that could be a recommendation too. Sudenly you sound very vague for a person whose supposed to be so smart and analytical and scientific.
I suggested, that rather than spend thousands for an aftermarket BBK, they salvage parts from the Evo. It was a suggestion for those that want to upgrade the parts. Does it mean I think it's necessary? No, I stand by my statements but it doesn't hurt to tell people an alternative option.
So because someone feels they need something, it completely dismisses hard science? I know guys who feel they need a 20G for their daily driver but it doesn't magically reduce lag.
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To get EVO VIII/IX brakes on a 2G DSM:
The calipers are going for about $500 on ebay.
Evo Rotors any where from $250 on up for new ones
JDM knuckles from a Galant VR-4 $400-$450
Lines $100
Miscelleanous Hardware $60
...and of course some wheels with the correct offset and enough backspacing to fit them.
Total: $1300-$1400. So this isn't peanuts either, but at least you get front and back. You can spend that much on a front kit for a DSM from like, Rotora. Might add a little more to have the calipers rebuilt and painted since they are likely warranty takeoffs for bad paint. I think this is a great idea for a lot of Mitsus.
The calipers are going for about $500 on ebay.
Evo Rotors any where from $250 on up for new ones
JDM knuckles from a Galant VR-4 $400-$450
Lines $100
Miscelleanous Hardware $60
...and of course some wheels with the correct offset and enough backspacing to fit them.
Total: $1300-$1400. So this isn't peanuts either, but at least you get front and back. You can spend that much on a front kit for a DSM from like, Rotora. Might add a little more to have the calipers rebuilt and painted since they are likely warranty takeoffs for bad paint. I think this is a great idea for a lot of Mitsus.
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Also, imo, one of the main reasons for any car (track or daily driven) to switch to aftermarket brakes is to reduce unsprung weight. Many times, a BBK does not do that, and in the case of brake swaps, I'm not sure if it ever does.
Regardless, for right now, I do not need brakes, so I am going to weigh my options carefully. Yes, pun intended.
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I really don't know what his point is and frankly I don't care. He likes to preach and pass judgment on what he thinks people should and shouldn't do based on his value systems. I've just shown you that there are more options then $5000 worth of brakes on an RA, so you can plug that into your cost to benefits analysis and see what works for you.
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I really don't know what his point is and frankly I don't care. He likes to preach and pass judgment on what he thinks people should and shouldn't do based on his value systems. I've just shown you that there are more options then $5000 worth of brakes on an RA, so you can plug that into your cost to benefits analysis and see what works for you.
shown us that there are more options then $5000 worth of brakes on an RA
This was my first post, sure seems judgmental and anti-Mitsubishi to me .
I have no idea where the hell people are getting their info from.
Firstly, the WRX isn't more expensive than the Ralliart. Related to this, saying "well I could just mod the Ralliart to be faster" makes no sense since that drives the cost of the Ralliart up and the same logic can be applied to any car.
The transmission in the Ralliart is nothing like that in the GTR, Veyron, Lamborghini etc.
I don't understand the "the Ralliart will be a track monster" statement. How will an expensive, underpowered (in stock trim), automatic become a track monster?
As I have posted over and over again, the RA with Potenzas (RE050s) doesn't beat the 09 WRX. That's also a 1000$ investment just to keep up. 1000$ goes a long way, you can easily get an 09 WRX to over 300 HP with 1000$. You could make the Ralliart considerably faster with that money too.
Having tracked my WRX, I can tell you now keeping it in the powerband isn't hard at all. Unless you're an absolute spaz at driving, you'll be fine.
In the end, it comes down to personal preference. Drive both cars and see which you like.
Firstly, the WRX isn't more expensive than the Ralliart. Related to this, saying "well I could just mod the Ralliart to be faster" makes no sense since that drives the cost of the Ralliart up and the same logic can be applied to any car.
The transmission in the Ralliart is nothing like that in the GTR, Veyron, Lamborghini etc.
I don't understand the "the Ralliart will be a track monster" statement. How will an expensive, underpowered (in stock trim), automatic become a track monster?
As I have posted over and over again, the RA with Potenzas (RE050s) doesn't beat the 09 WRX. That's also a 1000$ investment just to keep up. 1000$ goes a long way, you can easily get an 09 WRX to over 300 HP with 1000$. You could make the Ralliart considerably faster with that money too.
Having tracked my WRX, I can tell you now keeping it in the powerband isn't hard at all. Unless you're an absolute spaz at driving, you'll be fine.
In the end, it comes down to personal preference. Drive both cars and see which you like.
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I haven't seen any evo brake swaps on an R/A yet. I assume the knuckle would need to be changed - so therefore it might mean that even the lower control arm, and strut would too.
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