09 ralliart vs 09 wrx
Jun 29, 2009, 08:10 AM
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I consistantly see wrxs sell for over msrp where as I bought my RA for under the wrx's msrp. Infact, most RAs have been selling from under the msrp of the wrxs' even though the original msrp is higher. Thats real world experience.
To say the RA's transmission isnt atleast kinda like the gtr's is a matter of personal judgement. Theyre both the same system but not same design. You can buy the same upgrades for both from the same shop in sioux falls south dakota. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything, either, other than the fact that I garauntee you that tranny can shift itself better than you can shift your's no matter who you are.
Saying a RA cant keep up with a 09 WRX depends on the where your sources are from. Some sources say they can squeeze the same times out of the RA as they can out of the WRX in every field from 0-60 to slalom. I am willing to bet, most people just dont know how to use the TC gear box yet.
RA beats WRX in SLALOM Car and Driver
0-60 in 5.6 sec
EDMUNDS.COM lists WRX as 28k msrp
They also talk about how close the RA and WRX are in performance and how much tires matter.
There, thats where I get my info from, dont shoot the messenger.
To say the RA's transmission isnt atleast kinda like the gtr's is a matter of personal judgement. Theyre both the same system but not same design. You can buy the same upgrades for both from the same shop in sioux falls south dakota. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything, either, other than the fact that I garauntee you that tranny can shift itself better than you can shift your's no matter who you are.
Saying a RA cant keep up with a 09 WRX depends on the where your sources are from. Some sources say they can squeeze the same times out of the RA as they can out of the WRX in every field from 0-60 to slalom. I am willing to bet, most people just dont know how to use the TC gear box yet.
RA beats WRX in SLALOM Car and Driver
0-60 in 5.6 sec
EDMUNDS.COM lists WRX as 28k msrp
They also talk about how close the RA and WRX are in performance and how much tires matter.
There, thats where I get my info from, dont shoot the messenger.
It's not personal judgment to say that the transmission of a 30000$ souped-up econobox is nothing like that of a 100000$-1000000$ sports car. Someone might as well argue that the manual in the WRX is virtually the same as that in the Viper since they're both operated with a clutch pedal and a shift lever.
I have yet to see a single review where a stock Ralliart posts similar time to a stock 09 WRX. The WRX has more power, is lighter and has stickier tires, of course it will beat it in performance scenarios. The WRX has a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds according to R&T and I've seen even faster from other sources. 5.6 seconds is hardly the same. It's important to note that the C&D article you reference is from 2008 and is being compared to a 2008 WRX.
Edmunds numbers from the infamous "RE050" comparison. Stock numbers are in brackets
2009 WRX
Skid pad- 0.87 g
Slalom speed- 68.5 MPH
Braking from 60 MPH- 107 ft
2009 Ralliart (stock in brackets)
Skid pad- 0.82 g (0.80)
Slalom speed- 69.3 MPH (65.6)
Braking from 60 MPH- 120 ft (127)
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Jun 29, 2009, 08:32 AM
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MSRP to MSRP, the Ralliart is costlier if you want the goodies (like Recaros). In some areas, I'm sure the Ralliart is cheaper while in others, the WRX is cheaper.
It's not personal judgment to say that the transmission of a 30000$ souped-up econobox is nothing like that of a 100000$-1000000$ sports car. Someone might as well argue that the manual in the WRX is virtually the same as that in the Viper since they're both operated with a clutch pedal and a shift lever.
I have yet to see a single review where a stock Ralliart posts similar time to a stock 09 WRX. The WRX has more power, is lighter and has stickier tires, of course it will beat it in performance scenarios. The WRX has a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds according to R&T and I've seen even faster from other sources. 5.6 seconds is hardly the same. It's important to note that the C&D article you reference is from 2008 and is being compared to a 2008 WRX.
It's not personal judgment to say that the transmission of a 30000$ souped-up econobox is nothing like that of a 100000$-1000000$ sports car. Someone might as well argue that the manual in the WRX is virtually the same as that in the Viper since they're both operated with a clutch pedal and a shift lever.
I have yet to see a single review where a stock Ralliart posts similar time to a stock 09 WRX. The WRX has more power, is lighter and has stickier tires, of course it will beat it in performance scenarios. The WRX has a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds according to R&T and I've seen even faster from other sources. 5.6 seconds is hardly the same. It's important to note that the C&D article you reference is from 2008 and is being compared to a 2008 WRX.
Anyway, this part is the most important part of the thread. These are both excellent cars for their price, and you won't go wrong with either one. So ignore the fanboys in both camps, test drive both, and get the one you want.
Jun 29, 2009, 08:44 AM
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You get more toys, sure, but at the same time, you get more power with the WRX, better tires, better brakes, etc. It's a matter of deciding what you want.
The VW GTI has had a similar transmission for some time now.
I posted data directly above you, with similar tires (the RE050s are actually ranked higher on Tirerack than the stock tires on the WRX), the WRX is still better in 2 out of 3 handling tests and obviously still faster. Sure people may eventually change tires but that's still an extra 1000$+ to keep up. 1000$ goes a long way.
The VW GTI has had a similar transmission for some time now.
I posted data directly above you, with similar tires (the RE050s are actually ranked higher on Tirerack than the stock tires on the WRX), the WRX is still better in 2 out of 3 handling tests and obviously still faster. Sure people may eventually change tires but that's still an extra 1000$+ to keep up. 1000$ goes a long way.
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Jun 29, 2009, 09:12 AM
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and also said he wants to drive something close to what Mr. God drives (God drives an Evo X)
me, so biased!
Jun 29, 2009, 10:52 AM
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No contest for me cuz I'm a mitsu fanboi haha j/k... on a serious note, the TC-SST tranny is a marvel, somtimes I wish that should have gotten the MR instead of the GSR. Lightning quick shifts are really nice to have.... this coming from a guy who got smoked by a 330i (prolly was an automatic) from a stoplight couple of nights ago lol.
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Jun 29, 2009, 11:11 AM
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No contest for me cuz I'm a mitsu fanboi haha j/k... on a serious note, the TC-SST tranny is a marvel, somtimes I wish that should have gotten the MR instead of the GSR. Lightning quick shifts are really nice to have.... this coming from a guy who got smoked by a 330i (prolly was an automatic) from a stoplight couple of nights ago lol.
btw, no talking about illegal street racing here
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Jun 29, 2009, 11:37 AM
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lol... well I test drive the ralliart yesterday. I can tell the car is freaking heavy! That made the car slow on startup roll... It took a while for the car to really take off, but when it starts rolling you can feel the power. Brakes on the ralliart is freaking retarded, i dont know if it is because the pots are small or it is because of the damn weight of the car!
But dont get me wrong. The car look very good inside out. It just the performance I feel is not worth the price I would pay. But in general its a very good car for an AT transmission. The pedal shifting is nice, it shifts accordingly to what I ask for. But hp to price ratio it wont work for me, and the car feels heavy for some reason..
But dont get me wrong. The car look very good inside out. It just the performance I feel is not worth the price I would pay. But in general its a very good car for an AT transmission. The pedal shifting is nice, it shifts accordingly to what I ask for. But hp to price ratio it wont work for me, and the car feels heavy for some reason..
Jun 29, 2009, 11:44 AM
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No contest for me cuz I'm a mitsu fanboi haha j/k... on a serious note, the TC-SST tranny is a marvel, somtimes I wish that should have gotten the MR instead of the GSR. Lightning quick shifts are really nice to have.... this coming from a guy who got smoked by a 330i (prolly was an automatic) from a stoplight couple of nights ago lol.
Jun 29, 2009, 11:49 AM
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lol... well I test drive the ralliart yesterday. I can tell the car is freaking heavy! That made the car slow on startup roll... It took a while for the car to really take off, but when it starts rolling you can feel the power. Brakes on the ralliart is freaking retarded, i dont know if it is because the pots are small or it is because of the damn weight of the car!
But dont get me wrong. The car look very good inside out. It just the performance I feel is not worth the price I would pay. But in general its a very good car for an AT transmission. The pedal shifting is nice, it shifts accordingly to what I ask for. But hp to price ratio it wont work for me, and the car feels heavy for some reason..
But dont get me wrong. The car look very good inside out. It just the performance I feel is not worth the price I would pay. But in general its a very good car for an AT transmission. The pedal shifting is nice, it shifts accordingly to what I ask for. But hp to price ratio it wont work for me, and the car feels heavy for some reason..
2 - The '09 WRX feels much faster than the RA and it feels ligh; You should test drive that one
3 - You can pay $38,000 for an Audi A4 with 211 horses; Paying 26-27 for an AWD with stellar transmission and 237 horses seems about right to me; of course that's just me.
4 - Braking IS retarded; It's a 3,400lbs car with 252 foot-pounds of torque and flimsy GTS/Outlander brakes; Mitsu went cheap on that one.
4 1/2 - the SST is NOT an Automatic Transmission for the last time!