Manual transmisson
May 7, 2010, 05:10 PM
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ITS SEEMS THERE IS NEVER SOME ONE ON HERE THAT DOESN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CAR.. NEWS FLASH YOU COULD OF BOUGHT SOMETHING ELSE, SO STOP YOUR NAGGING, BESIDES MOST PPL DON'T HAVE GREAT CARS LIKE OURSELVES, SOME ACTUALLY DRIVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BE CALLED ****, LIKE A 1992 BUICK OR SOMETHING, SO JUST STOP THE HATE, JEEZ WHEN I HAD A 4G ECLIPSE AND ON OUR FORUM EVERYONE ON THE SITE WAS PROUD OF THEIR PURCHASE.. BUT HERE PPL CAN'T SEEM TO TAKE THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR BUTTS AND LOOK@ THE BIG PICTURE......
FOR LIFE!!!!
FOR LIFE!!!!Criticisms are fine where due and I do the same. But if you went on a Toyota Camry forum and blasted the Toyota Camry a lot of people would get pissed off at you. Can you guess why? Yep - because the people on the Toyota Camry forum own Toyota Camry and its the best they could afford.
Most of the readers are Ralliart owners. It should not be a forum to slam the car into the ground and then continually argue against anyone who defends it.
May 7, 2010, 05:38 PM
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No one here is arguing against your point. I think that everyone was ready to move on past the post "slamming" the Ralliart (which was retarded and almost completely unintelligible). I actually laughed when I read the post and even highlighted what I thought was funny. However, Rallihead took it a little bit too seriously. That is all.
All in all, this is a great car. However, you have to understand what it was truly designed for to see the greatness in it. The chronic problem is that people compare this car to the EVO. It is not even close, nor was it meant to be. I remember watching Top Gear awhile back where they had to make an advertisement for the new VW Scirraco Diesel. Jeremy said that it was a much worse version of the regular Scirraco, and that you would be better off buying that. The marketing representative said one of the smartest things that I have ever heard that went something like this: "You are looking at the car the wrong way around. Instead of making a Scirraco worse, they made Diesel better."
Remember the last Ralliart? I think that GearDownSon made a comment in another thread recently that sums this point up pretty nicely:
The transmission is a compromise. It makes it so that you don't have to shift all day in traffic, but you can also enjoy the fun of a manual-ish gearbox on the weekends or in spirited driving. That really is all that needs to be said.
May 19, 2010, 11:47 AM
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Me? I would prefer a 6MT (but not the one in the GTS i drove - that clutch slipped) in a heartbeat. I would prefer the better reliability and maintainability over the SST. BUT, they don't offer one and i am convinced i still want the car so i give up my 'right to gripe' about it later.
Kinda' like 'if you didn't vote - you don't have the right to complain'
My favorite quote from my Lovely Bride on the subject: 'Automatics?! Those are so sixteen year old girls could drive!' ( I LOVE her! She absolutley insisted on a 6MT for her 350Z.
I said, 'yes, My Queen'...
Kinda' like 'if you didn't vote - you don't have the right to complain'
My favorite quote from my Lovely Bride on the subject: 'Automatics?! Those are so sixteen year old girls could drive!' ( I LOVE her!
She absolutley insisted on a 6MT for her 350Z. I said, 'yes, My Queen'...
Last edited by Veronica; May 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM.
May 19, 2010, 12:55 PM
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No! You are right- it was just a 5 spd. I downshifted to 4th and floored it and the thing just slipped (revved to redline) and went no faster...
I asked the GTSrs if that was normal and they said 'no' so it may have just been a bad car off the assy line. The salesman just sat back and didn't have anything to say... Of course i had to tell HIM; ' there'really is a 2010 RA Sportback ' and he still argued with me. I shook my head ruefully.
I asked the GTSrs if that was normal and they said 'no' so it may have just been a bad car off the assy line. The salesman just sat back and didn't have anything to say... Of course i had to tell HIM; ' there'really is a 2010 RA Sportback ' and he still argued with me. I shook my head ruefully.
May 21, 2010, 11:35 PM
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Just came across this.
I'm just sharing, don't want anyone to get upset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41duY43zbZM
And:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6kw...ayer_embedded#!
And another vid @ 4:23 The MR is a few cars up.
http://www.ring1.de/tv/alle/media/150/
Here is a letter from one of the race team members:
SST in race application
Dear all,
I am one of the guys, who applicated the SST transmission for mass production and also joined the race team in order to "make the SST running" in a racecar.
First of all, the team is made up of engineers, who are motor sports enthusiastic and mainly already involved in the SST development. With the help of Mitsubishi Japan and a chummy other race team, we build up the vehicle. The purpose of it was to show the potential of the EVO in combination with the SST gearbox. And finally we finished on position 32 out of 180 vehicles.
Let me give some technical details, as far as I can:
The vehicle has been build up from the naked body. Only necessary parts have been assembled. Additional parts for racing like the cell, cooler, pumps, tank... are also equipped. The vehicle build up photo documentation can be seen on our website.
The engine, believe it or not, is nearly mass production like. It has about 300hp with maximum turbo pressure of 1,4 bar and air-restrictor. We made some tests with up to 400hp (app. 500Nm) and the transmission was running quite fine. The only reason for using the 300hp version was, that there was simply no time to create a durable engine SW with more power. Our highest target was up from the beginning of that project, to build up a vehicle, which is capably to survive the 24h race. And with more than 300hp, we had no experiences with on the dynometer for longer than a few hours.
The transmission itself (tatata) is also nearly like mass production. The only hardware change is a little bit shorter 6th gear to increase top speed. Externally equipped is one additional cooler for the trans. With that, the oil temperature during the race never exceeded 102°, so fare away from failing.
By the way: other systems like AYC have had external coolers also.
From software point of view, we made some changes like different shift points, modified interaction with ABS/ESP/AYC and these things. These changes were leading to the fact, that all the drivers drove in auto mode during the race. No one was shifting manually. This is good for a relaxing drive and also good to keep the temperature stable.
If there are more question, please feel free to ask. I hope, I am able to answer them.
By the way: the 7speed DCT from the M3 cannot be used for that vehicle, even if it is from the same company. The engine orientation is different (crossway vs. lengthwise) and the interaction with other modules like engine, ABS, AYC... is completely different in the Evo than in M3.
Greetings!
TICer
I'm just sharing, don't want anyone to get upset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41duY43zbZM
And:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6kw...ayer_embedded#!
And another vid @ 4:23 The MR is a few cars up.
http://www.ring1.de/tv/alle/media/150/
Here is a letter from one of the race team members:
SST in race application
Dear all,
I am one of the guys, who applicated the SST transmission for mass production and also joined the race team in order to "make the SST running" in a racecar.
First of all, the team is made up of engineers, who are motor sports enthusiastic and mainly already involved in the SST development. With the help of Mitsubishi Japan and a chummy other race team, we build up the vehicle. The purpose of it was to show the potential of the EVO in combination with the SST gearbox. And finally we finished on position 32 out of 180 vehicles.
Let me give some technical details, as far as I can:
The vehicle has been build up from the naked body. Only necessary parts have been assembled. Additional parts for racing like the cell, cooler, pumps, tank... are also equipped. The vehicle build up photo documentation can be seen on our website.
The engine, believe it or not, is nearly mass production like. It has about 300hp with maximum turbo pressure of 1,4 bar and air-restrictor. We made some tests with up to 400hp (app. 500Nm) and the transmission was running quite fine. The only reason for using the 300hp version was, that there was simply no time to create a durable engine SW with more power. Our highest target was up from the beginning of that project, to build up a vehicle, which is capably to survive the 24h race. And with more than 300hp, we had no experiences with on the dynometer for longer than a few hours.
The transmission itself (tatata) is also nearly like mass production. The only hardware change is a little bit shorter 6th gear to increase top speed. Externally equipped is one additional cooler for the trans. With that, the oil temperature during the race never exceeded 102°, so fare away from failing.
By the way: other systems like AYC have had external coolers also.
From software point of view, we made some changes like different shift points, modified interaction with ABS/ESP/AYC and these things. These changes were leading to the fact, that all the drivers drove in auto mode during the race. No one was shifting manually. This is good for a relaxing drive and also good to keep the temperature stable.
If there are more question, please feel free to ask. I hope, I am able to answer them.
By the way: the 7speed DCT from the M3 cannot be used for that vehicle, even if it is from the same company. The engine orientation is different (crossway vs. lengthwise) and the interaction with other modules like engine, ABS, AYC... is completely different in the Evo than in M3.
Greetings!
TICer
Last edited by gccruz; May 22, 2010 at 12:20 AM. Reason: info added and vid
May 22, 2010, 10:12 AM
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...From software point of view, we made some changes like different shift points, modified interaction with ABS/ESP/AYC and these things. These changes were leading to the fact, that all the drivers drove in auto mode during the race. No one was shifting manually. This is good for a relaxing drive and also good to keep the temperature stable...
May 22, 2010, 12:14 PM
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Not quite. The reason that they were able to modify the TCU is because they were the original programmers and engineers for Getrag. It is a Getrag + Mitsu sponsored car. But the great part is that he is providing answers and advice on another forum.
May 22, 2010, 12:15 PM
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