How would YOU classify our tranny?
Nov 4, 2010, 03:55 PM
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How would YOU classify our tranny?
So I got in a debate today as to whether or not our cars are more automatic or more manual. How would you classify them?
Nov 4, 2010, 04:03 PM
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That's what I thought but then all the true manual guys got in a hissy fit and started saying since there is no clutch pedal it can't be a manual. I said there is still a clutch, two of them, and they are both electronically controlled and that still makes it a manual.
Nov 4, 2010, 04:23 PM
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As you said, the car has 2 clutches, two manual clutches. Automatic cars have a whole different type of clutch, the liquid clutch. A way to describe our cars is it is manual with internal clutch pedals controlled by a computer. If those manual guys throw a fit after you describe that they must not know vehicle mechanics very well. It takes far less skill to drive our cars then a normal manual, this ill give them, but ill defend against it when it comes to the automatic/manual conversation.
Nov 4, 2010, 04:39 PM
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Dude! You'll never believe what I found online; a dictionary!
Automatic: operating with minimal human intervention
Manual: Employing human rather than mechanical energy
From these definitions I would say you drive an automatic.
Automatic: operating with minimal human intervention
Manual: Employing human rather than mechanical energy
From these definitions I would say you drive an automatic.
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Nov 4, 2010, 05:38 PM
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hmm def not an automatic because automatics have several things we do not:
1. wet clutch
2. planetary gears
3. some other **** i forgot.
we have EVERYTHING a manual has except a clutch pedal. but we have an extra clutch!
1. wet clutch
2. planetary gears
3. some other **** i forgot.
we have EVERYTHING a manual has except a clutch pedal. but we have an extra clutch!
Nov 4, 2010, 06:28 PM
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It's Semi automatic
"Oh my hyundai lets me control the gears too"
No, it uses clutches, not a torque converter.
"Yes you can choose the gears"
Yes, but its not a slush box, it shifts gears instantly...
"Yes mine is a six speed, whatever that means"
*Then you give up explaining and wish you had a stick shift....*
"Oh my hyundai lets me control the gears too"
No, it uses clutches, not a torque converter.
"Yes you can choose the gears"
Yes, but its not a slush box, it shifts gears instantly...
"Yes mine is a six speed, whatever that means"
*Then you give up explaining and wish you had a stick shift....*
Nov 4, 2010, 07:19 PM
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This whole conversation has been beaten to death, set on fire, and shat all over.
In the end, all it really is is semantics.
Yes, it's an automatic. But it has the components and mechanics of a standard transmission. It doesn't have a clutch pedal, but it has two wet clutches that are computer controlled to feather/rev-match(heel-toe)/etc.
If someone is going to dog you about driving a car with an "automatic" transmission without doing some basic research, let them. They're just ignorant and thick headed. No matter what you say or do, its not going to change the fact that its an "automatic" in their eyes.
In the end, all it really is is semantics.
Yes, it's an automatic. But it has the components and mechanics of a standard transmission. It doesn't have a clutch pedal, but it has two wet clutches that are computer controlled to feather/rev-match(heel-toe)/etc.
If someone is going to dog you about driving a car with an "automatic" transmission without doing some basic research, let them. They're just ignorant and thick headed. No matter what you say or do, its not going to change the fact that its an "automatic" in their eyes.
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Nov 4, 2010, 07:36 PM
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Caught a typo when I was checking over what I wrote, thanks. 
I believe they are indeed wet clutches,
(because wikipedia is a scholarly source)
I believe they are indeed wet clutches,
Originally Posted by wikipedia
The operation of TC-SST is smoother than that of a conventional automatic transmission because it uses clutches instead of a torque converter to transmit power.[1][5] The key to the system's operation is in the electronic and hydraulic controls. TC-SST can select two gears at the same time by putting odd (1st, 3rd, 5th) and even (2nd, 4th and 6th) gears on separate input shafts, each connected to an individual clutch. While one gear is engaged by one of the two electro-hydraulically operated wet multi-plate clutches, the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch. The TC-SST, in principle, behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. With both clutches under precise system control, the gear change is made when the clutches are "swapped" simultaneously, allowing fast, smooth gear changes with no interruption in power delivery.[2][3][4] Nevertheless, those who prefer the traditional "stick shift" have criticized the level of driver involvement in TC-SST and other dual-clutch transmissions.[8]
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