23,000 miles and need new trans
Aug 17, 2009, 03:23 PM
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Manual drivers? I have yet to see any statistics saying that manual drivers are more prone to accidents than automatic drivers, a distracted driver is a distracted driver. Considering how well-known the GTR transmissions are and the apparent issues that the Mitsubishi model is having (torque limitations, shifting issues, etc), I don't think us stick drivers have anything to worry about from the "future".
off topic sorry. jk
Aug 17, 2009, 04:35 PM
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) have decided to use the term MANUAL in order to refer to the mode in which the driver uses the paddle shifters, you might want to take your complaint up with them. I dislike arguing semantics; it's as useless as arguing about statistics. You might want to reread my post that you quoted because I never said they were the same. What I said is that what that transmission symbolizes is important: The recognition that a manual shifter is not the ideal. Of course, most of us are willing to spend $80-100k for a transmission, but regardless, if Petter wants to shift on a rally course, he just twitches his fingers.
Aug 17, 2009, 04:48 PM
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If you don't like the fact that Mitsubishi, Lexus and others () have decided to use the term MANUAL in order to refer to the mode in which the driver uses the paddle shifters, you might want to take your complaint up with them. I dislike arguing semantics; it's as useless as arguing about statistics.
I am very curious to hear your explanation as to why "heel toeing" is necessary, and why you think that puts a driver with a manual at an advantage over a driver with a paddle shifter.
It is actually six-speed, semi-automatic transmission, but you can call it a dogbox manual if you want. Again, though, semantics.
You might want to reread my post that you quoted because I never said they were the same. What I said is that what that transmission symbolizes is important: The recognition that a manual shifter is not the ideal. Of course, most of us are willing to spend $80-100k for a transmission, but regardless, if Petter wants to shift on a rally course, he just twitches his fingers.
) have decided to use the term MANUAL in order to refer to the mode in which the driver uses the paddle shifters, you might want to take your complaint up with them. I dislike arguing semantics; it's as useless as arguing about statistics. I am very curious to hear your explanation as to why "heel toeing" is necessary, and why you think that puts a driver with a manual at an advantage over a driver with a paddle shifter.
It is actually six-speed, semi-automatic transmission, but you can call it a dogbox manual if you want. Again, though, semantics.
You might want to reread my post that you quoted because I never said they were the same. What I said is that what that transmission symbolizes is important: The recognition that a manual shifter is not the ideal. Of course, most of us are willing to spend $80-100k for a transmission, but regardless, if Petter wants to shift on a rally course, he just twitches his fingers.
The thing I like about the TC-SST is that it is only "automatic" if you want it to be. I find it funny how people seem to infer that we have less control of our cars with paddles than they do of their car with a manual.
Heel-toe is necessary during racing to allow you to brake and downshift at the same time. You do not need to do it since you can simply brake and the car will downshift for you. It's rather obvious that in the first situation, you have more control over what the car is doing. If you **** up, you know.
Most rally cars use a dogbox transmission. A dogbox is a type of transmission, just as a synchomesh transmission is a type.
As I have said again and again, you cannot seriously compare the transmission in a racing car to that in a street car. They behave differently and more importantly, race cars have entirely different priorities. Race teams don't give a crap what the driver wants, they car about what's fastest. Whether the car is engaging to drive around town doesn't factor in to their decisions in the slightest.
Aug 17, 2009, 04:55 PM
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which is false.
Heel-toe is necessary during racing to allow you to brake and downshift at the same time. You do not need to do it since you can simply brake and the car will downshift for you. It's rather obvious that in the first situation, you have more control over what the car is doing. If you **** up, you know.
Most rally cars use a dogbox transmission. A dogbox is a type of transmission, just as a synchomesh transmission is a type.
As I have said again and again, you cannot seriously compare the transmission in a racing car to that in a street car. They behave differently and more importantly, race cars have entirely different priorities. Race teams don't give a crap what the driver wants, they car about what's fastest. Whether the car is engaging to drive around town doesn't factor in to their decisions in the slightest.
Heel-toe is necessary during racing to allow you to brake and downshift at the same time. You do not need to do it since you can simply brake and the car will downshift for you. It's rather obvious that in the first situation, you have more control over what the car is doing. If you **** up, you know.
Most rally cars use a dogbox transmission. A dogbox is a type of transmission, just as a synchomesh transmission is a type.
As I have said again and again, you cannot seriously compare the transmission in a racing car to that in a street car. They behave differently and more importantly, race cars have entirely different priorities. Race teams don't give a crap what the driver wants, they car about what's fastest. Whether the car is engaging to drive around town doesn't factor in to their decisions in the slightest.
Aug 17, 2009, 05:54 PM
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heel-toe has been replaced with "finger-tap"
amby get with the times man, lol.
do you still use a well to get your water?
oh wait you prob. do
since turning a knob is not as "leet" as manually dropping a bucket for water.
amby get with the times man, lol.
do you still use a well to get your water?
oh wait you prob. do
since turning a knob is not as "leet" as manually dropping a bucket for water.
Aug 17, 2009, 06:15 PM
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Your analogy fails, getting water from a well is not an activity people do for the sake of doing it. If you're getting water from a well, it's because you have to. No automatic can replace the visceral feeling of nailing a good heel-toe downshift and knowing it was the result of practice, not Mitsubishi's R&D.
that's the sucky part
Aug 19, 2009, 10:43 PM
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While I've agreed with Amby from the start in regards to this transmission's likely future issues, thus far it seems Mitsubishi has been replacing the transmissions that have failed thus far under warranty. I imagine that will continue, unless it's someone who's done more than a handful of simple bolt-ons. IMO, nothing will help Mitsubishi's trans supplier improve this transmission faster than having to continuously pay to replace them.