Hi Bryan.

Feedback on "v2.6 beta" after a drive in SPORT / MANUAL mode...


Upshifts

The SPORT mode upshifts are definitely faster, and a lot more firm, in "v2.6 beta" than in v2.5. Personally, I'm not really sure I like them. I drive in SPORT / MANUAL mode all the time, but the shifts were a little harsh at part-throttle (that's "regular-street-driving-in-traffic" style part-throttle).

On the track, I've never felt that WOT shifts in SPORT mode have been slipping, slushy, soft or in any way deficient. They are great - quick, but not abrupt. They don't upset the balance of the car at all, which is exactly what you want.

But at part-throttle, "v2.6 beta" feels like it is trying a bit too hard... if that's any way to describe it. The vehicle actually "bounces" a little, back-forward-back. I'd be perfectly happy with this if I had an MR and had deliberately selected S-SPORT, but I'm in a Ralliart, I'm "only" in SPORT mode, and I'm only at 25% throttle.

Not 100% sure the balance is perfect... not for 25% throttle SPORT mode upshifts.

Bear in mind that your beast at 25% throttle is probably going harder than mine at 100% throttle - so it probably needs a whole lot more clutch pressure!!!



Downshifts


Some of the downshifting isn't quite right. This one scenario was acting significantly differently from 2.5, and it didn't feel right...

• Steady speed at 55km/h
• Very light throttle - almost throttling back, or "steady" but ever-so-slightly downhill.
• In 4th gear.
• Downshift to 3rd.

Pretty much every time I tried it, counting out the seconds ("shift... one... two..."), the gearshift to 3rd didn't happen for 1-2 seconds.

Like, it didn't even start to shift until I said "two...". On the "two" mark, the throttle blipped. Only then did it actually get the revs up and engage 3rd.

It's definitely not a paddle/electrical/switch issue. I flip the down paddle once. The car shifts. But those two events can be separated by two full seconds.

So there's a 1- to 2-second lag between flipping the paddle and some kind of vehicle response - in that one, specific circumstance.

I tried it at a faster speed... it shifted immediately. Ditto for 5th to 4th. Ditto for 3rd to 2nd. The only time I could make it do the 2-second delay was 4th->3rd, below 60km/h, light throttle, almost throttling back.

I have logs, but as they don't show the precise moment of paddle-flip... they don't actually show the delay. They just look like regular downshifts.



Hope that's useful!

Rich



Edit:

PS. Let me try a commute in NORMAL / MANUAL mode before I write off SPORT / MANUAL as being "too harsh". I only drive in SPORT mode because NORMAL shifts are too sloppy! If that has been revised in "v2.6 beta" too, I'll be happy with SPORT being more aggressive in its shifts. After all, you shouldn't really need SPORT mode if you're dawdling along in traffic. SPORT eez for thee sexy-sporty-time!

But the downshift delay is still a worry, eh.

 

I noticed one strange normal auto downshift today....

- on the gas about 50% approaching a traffic light that I knew would be turning yellow in a few seconds
- hit breaking point in 5th gear (auto down shifted to 4th)
- trailed off the brake just before the apex (auto downshifted to 3rd)
- started picking up the throttle just after the apex (noticed nothing was there rev's jumped up to 4K+ as auto downshifted to 2nd gear)

Just seemed like one extra downshift that was not needed in normal auto mode and caught me off gaurd. Will see if I can reproduce and get a log. Let me know if there are any specific params you want to see.

Other than that it all feels good, I still much prefer sport paddle mode

 

I didn't feel any harscness at all in normal/auto - sport/auto - sport/manual. Shifts were just perfect with no slippage or major jerking that I noticed.


Did a few pulls in sport/auto and the boost seemed to first peak at around 17 and then half a second it got up to 20-21.

I definately need some more test time cause this was just driving normally+spirited for about 30 mins.

 

So are you saying you feel that Auto NORMAL mode is now a little too aggressive in it's downshifting?

 

Just don't make the normal/auto too wimpy on the downshifts. Don't want to put full throttle just to get some speed going after a part slowdown at the lights and up to pace

Going out in a few hours to test some more. Is there a particular mode you want information about? auto/normal or manual/normal etc?

 

Just that one time, it was. I will see if I can re produce it and get a log. I may have mashed it harder than I think on corner exit.... I tend to do that because the throttle always feels a little dead to me picking up on the gas at or just past the apex.

Could be 100% normal though since I never use auto anything mode

Other than that everything is spot on IMO. Normal mode drops in and out of 6th a lot around town as it should to get the best mpg without lugging the engine too much.

 

Does that "dead" feel feel better with the beta? That was one of things I have been working on.

I always hated that dead feel and I have it pretty sorted now on my RA.

 

I really like the 2.6 beta map. Yes, the shifts are firmer but they appear to be happening quicker as well. My 1>2 shift is no longer as sloppy as it was with the 2.5 map under moderate to heavy throttle. I would say the initial throttle response is improved from stock/2.5, no more 1-2 second lag before the car starts moving. I'll provide some more feedback on auto normal/sport modes as I drive it more tomorrow.

 

I just have the basic V2.5 with 91 oct I hate that dead time as well. It's like you have mash the gas a little too much to get going and then sometimes it feels like things are too harsh. Using manual mode does help this out though.

 

Using "v2.6 beta", NORMAL / MANUAL mode is now a lot faster in its getting its upshifts done. It no longer has that distinct pause between gears. The meandering shift was why I avoided NORMAL mode.

I like this aspect of 2.6. If it stays like this, I will no longer need to remember to switch to SPORT mode every time I start the car. SPORT will be reserved for "special occasions"...


On the downside, I had the laggy 4th -> 3rd response happen to me again this morning. This was in NORMAL / MANUAL mode, and I was preparing to change lanes and pass a truck on the freeway. I planned to downshift first, then roll on the throttle... but had to wait an age after selecting 3rd. The vehicle delayed a full 2 seconds before thrittle-blipping/downshifting. It was quite a noticeable lag!

No previous Base Map has introduced a delayed downshift response like this. Very odd. Any ideas what might be going on, Bryan?

Rich

 

Is it possible to create a eco map that doesnt even use the turbo and pair it with a performance gst map through tephramod?

 

I'm hoping to get a basemap that is revised for some mods.

 

That is harder cause people run different mods and brands though..

The only downside on my car is the fuel economy, so if anyone would make it happen to be able to switch from Eco mode to Performance mode with just holding the cruise control (Tephramod) button a few secs, then I know I would donate 100$ or something for it and hopefully some others aswell.

 

That's why it would be a basemap. It wouldn't take into account specific nuances of each brand. Just a sort of general tune to run UCIP/LICP/FMIC/Turbo back Exhaust/Boost Pill/Panel Filter. Seems to be the most common mods on everyones car. Especially the EvoX FMIC, UICP and TBE.

I think it would be great to have a more adnvaced basemap to start with. At whatever cost. I would definitely pay for that

 

Sorry I butchered your post Bryan, not used to having mod powers and I keep hitting the edit button rather than the quote button.... I'll go fix it now

Anyway, it does seem a little better.. i take it that it has something to do with the torque request maps... I always assumed it may be the ecu trying to play nanny a bit because it only seemed to happen during cornering... almost like the ecu was looking at the g sensors or yaw sensors and the steering angle and doing something behind the scenes even with asc off.