2009 Lancer Ralliart - GST Basemap
Feb 4, 2013, 07:04 PM
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Feb 4, 2013, 09:43 PM
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Ok so I searched this thread and have a slight question.
On the USDM 2012 RA Boost Pill map and I'm sure others, the Rev Limiter is set to 7396 RPM. I guess my biggest question is here is:
Does this turbo breathe all the way to almost 7400 RPM and is there power to be made that far up with the stock cams? I've never really let the car rev that high cept for a couple instances where I wasn't paying attention. The couple times it did rev that high, it didn't feel like the car was making power. I've looked at the initial dyno runs on the first page and noticed that they only really run to like 6500ish and the power appears to drop off there.
Please help me understand this....
On the USDM 2012 RA Boost Pill map and I'm sure others, the Rev Limiter is set to 7396 RPM. I guess my biggest question is here is:
Does this turbo breathe all the way to almost 7400 RPM and is there power to be made that far up with the stock cams? I've never really let the car rev that high cept for a couple instances where I wasn't paying attention. The couple times it did rev that high, it didn't feel like the car was making power. I've looked at the initial dyno runs on the first page and noticed that they only really run to like 6500ish and the power appears to drop off there.
Please help me understand this....
If you are like me then having the limiter at 6500rpm kinda sux. I was always hitting the limiter on the stock tune. Having that bit of extra room in each gear is a good thing for drivability IMO.
Feb 4, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Take this around the block...
http://www.speed-wiz.com/calculation...alculation.htm
...and let us know what it spits out!
Rich
[edit]Actually, that one looks like a purchase-only app. Free ones...
http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...-from-fes.html
But you get the idea... when you're talking redline shifts vs. short-shifts, you need to take the gearing into account.
http://www.speed-wiz.com/calculation...alculation.htm
...and let us know what it spits out!
Rich
[edit]Actually, that one looks like a purchase-only app. Free ones...
http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...-from-fes.html
But you get the idea... when you're talking redline shifts vs. short-shifts, you need to take the gearing into account.
Last edited by richardjh; Feb 4, 2013 at 10:50 PM.
Feb 5, 2013, 08:58 AM
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Take this around the block...
http://www.speed-wiz.com/calculation...alculation.htm
...and let us know what it spits out!
Rich
[edit]Actually, that one looks like a purchase-only app. Free ones...
http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...-from-fes.html
But you get the idea... when you're talking redline shifts vs. short-shifts, you need to take the gearing into account.
http://www.speed-wiz.com/calculation...alculation.htm
...and let us know what it spits out!
Rich
[edit]Actually, that one looks like a purchase-only app. Free ones...
http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...-from-fes.html
But you get the idea... when you're talking redline shifts vs. short-shifts, you need to take the gearing into account.
Thanks alot for this. Got me thinking about something I wasn't before. You da man!
Feb 7, 2013, 09:58 AM
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Quick question Rich or expert tuners. What is that hump for? most other high octane maps are just a smooth slope, like the 2011 maps.
IF the 2009 and 2011 use the same engine, why would the maps be so different?
IF the 2009 and 2011 use the same engine, why would the maps be so different?
Last edited by crak; Feb 7, 2013 at 01:34 PM.
Feb 7, 2013, 07:12 PM
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Which Patches are now included in these ROMS
Rich
Is there a post or a guide that details which Patches have been applied to these ROMs.
From my reading these ROMs include:
RAX Patch
Direct Boost
Atmospheric Baro Compensation
Not sure about these
SST Upshift Boost EC Management (SST Models Only)
IAT Adjusted BWGDC
Any other patches ?
Tephra Mods ?
I think this would be useful for people like myself who are considering tweaking our cars using these ROMs as a starting point.
Thanks in advance
Is there a post or a guide that details which Patches have been applied to these ROMs.
From my reading these ROMs include:
RAX Patch
Direct Boost
Atmospheric Baro Compensation
Not sure about these
SST Upshift Boost EC Management (SST Models Only)
IAT Adjusted BWGDC
Any other patches ?
Tephra Mods ?
I think this would be useful for people like myself who are considering tweaking our cars using these ROMs as a starting point.
Thanks in advance
Feb 7, 2013, 07:38 PM
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All RAX Patch items are included in all Base Maps.
No tephraXMod in any Base Map. tephra declined to give permission to incorporate that work. His code, his call.
[edit]The "boost pill" Base Maps use Direct Boost patches. The "stock pill" maps don't.
Rich
No tephraXMod in any Base Map. tephra declined to give permission to incorporate that work. His code, his call.
[edit]The "boost pill" Base Maps use Direct Boost patches. The "stock pill" maps don't.
Rich
Feb 8, 2013, 04:27 PM
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Update on P050B.
TotalOwnage and I are now now no longer sure he was actually getting P050B. EvoScan 2.9 was serving up mangled codes. He's on 2.8 now, and is seeing a testpipe related code for his custom tune.
So, Newb, you're now Mr. P050B Test Guy. Will pm you.
Rich
TotalOwnage and I are now now no longer sure he was actually getting P050B. EvoScan 2.9 was serving up mangled codes. He's on 2.8 now, and is seeing a testpipe related code for his custom tune.
So, Newb, you're now Mr. P050B Test Guy. Will pm you.
Rich
Feb 8, 2013, 05:47 PM
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The sickness continues...
I have received all of my parts and next weekend my 2009 Ralliart will get UR UICP, LICP, EVOX FMIC, UR Short down pipe and metal HFC, Wideband and then the TBE tune.
Of course once that is in place the question is what's next. I understand these are base tunes and since they coverage a wide range of vehicles they are very conservative.
How much more can I expect from a custom tune ?
Will I feel it in my butt dyno ?
Is it worth it for a daily driver that will never see the track or a drag strip.
For a custom tune I can go two routes ... Learn to do it myself or get an email tune.
Since Bryan has gone over to another side are there any reputable Ralliart email tuners that will work with these base maps as a starting point. I would not want to loose all of the driveability/SST tweaks that Rich has added that have truly transformed the car.
Of course once that is in place the question is what's next. I understand these are base tunes and since they coverage a wide range of vehicles they are very conservative.
How much more can I expect from a custom tune ?
Will I feel it in my butt dyno ?
Is it worth it for a daily driver that will never see the track or a drag strip.
For a custom tune I can go two routes ... Learn to do it myself or get an email tune.
Since Bryan has gone over to another side are there any reputable Ralliart email tuners that will work with these base maps as a starting point. I would not want to loose all of the driveability/SST tweaks that Rich has added that have truly transformed the car.
Feb 9, 2013, 01:39 AM
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I don't actually consider the TBE tunes to be conservative... so you'll definitely notice it in the butt dyno - compared to the other Base Map tunes. Whether you'd feel a big difference again from a custom tune depends on the tuner. A good tuner also gives confidence that your tune is right for your particular car.
Having said that... given the amount of reference material online, I reckon you should be able to review your own fuel mixturees, timing,, knocksum etc. from your data logs. If you are able to fit that stuff into your brain and still remain sane...
Rich
Having said that... given the amount of reference material online, I reckon you should be able to review your own fuel mixturees, timing,, knocksum etc. from your data logs. If you are able to fit that stuff into your brain and still remain sane...
Rich