How to make 300/300 on an RA?
Jan 6, 2010 | 02:05 PM
#93
The one thing I will say in response to that is, while you can't match the EVO MR's performance given the price difference, the more you spend means that you can, eventually, out match a stock EVO MR's performance. I don't want to get into an argument over "what about a modified MR?" because, obviously, the MR comes out-of-the gate with major advantages.
That aside, I'm starting to think that, if a 300/300 RA is the ultimate goal, a M/T swap might not be out of the question. I'm not sure what the best tranny to swap in would be or exactly how much would be involved in the swap, but it does seem like one of the better options given: 1) the power constraints of the TC-SST; 2) the price of a replacement TC-SST; 3) the potential price of maintaining a TC-SST; etc. Just throwing it out there...
That aside, I'm starting to think that, if a 300/300 RA is the ultimate goal, a M/T swap might not be out of the question. I'm not sure what the best tranny to swap in would be or exactly how much would be involved in the swap, but it does seem like one of the better options given: 1) the power constraints of the TC-SST; 2) the price of a replacement TC-SST; 3) the potential price of maintaining a TC-SST; etc. Just throwing it out there...
I suspect you could do what some Subaru guys do and swap the entire GSR drivetrain in, meaning transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes and wheels, essentially everything but the body and engine as one piece.
Jan 6, 2010 | 02:11 PM
#94
I was under the assumption we were comparing a modified Ralliart to a stock MR. I highly doubt you could match the performance of the MR for less cost. Yes you can make the Ralliart as fast in a straight line easily but as we all know, and as many people have argued in other threads, straight line performance is but one facet of performance. To match the MR's braking and handling will cost a lot of money.
I suspect you could do what some Subaru guys do and swap the entire GSR drivetrain in, meaning transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes and wheels, essentially everything but the body and engine as one piece.
I suspect you could do what some Subaru guys do and swap the entire GSR drivetrain in, meaning transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes and wheels, essentially everything but the body and engine as one piece.
Unfortunately, from what I've seen/read, I don't think we'll have it as easy as the WRX guys in terms of doing a complete EVO swap.
From the sounds of it, it could be done; it would just be considerably more expensive than the STi swap. Especially since the only cars we would have available to swap from are still relatively new.
Jan 6, 2010 | 02:14 PM
#95
Oh certainly, with enough money, you can do anything. Currently there's an individual swapping a 4G63 into a Lancer using a Supra transmission to make it RWD.
I'm not entirely sure what would be needed for the swap, and I don't think we'll ever have a clear idea until someone tries it. I suspect that there could be some suspension parts that need changing to accommodate the presumably longer axles of the Evo. I wouldn't want to do it in the next year given the rarity of smashed Evos but give it five years and people will probably be at least trying it.
I'm not entirely sure what would be needed for the swap, and I don't think we'll ever have a clear idea until someone tries it. I suspect that there could be some suspension parts that need changing to accommodate the presumably longer axles of the Evo. I wouldn't want to do it in the next year given the rarity of smashed Evos but give it five years and people will probably be at least trying it.
Jan 6, 2010 | 03:21 PM
#96
Evolved Member
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 614
Likes: 1
From: North NJ
Clearly you weren't a math whiz in high school. You're forgetting a variety of things. The MR has Brembo brakes all the way around, which are likely a 3000-5000$ upgrade, if you can even find equivalent aftermarket pieces. The TC-SST in the MR appears to be slightly different given that it can hold more power than that in the Ralliart. This may require a tune in itself or internal modifications/swap. For ****s and giggles we'll call that 1000$ although it could easily balloon to 5000$+. The MR also has different differentials, including a rear unit that has S-AYC. That's a pricey upgrade if you can even swap it in. Lets not forget that the MR also comes with wheels and tires so wide that the Ralliart cannot use them without rolling the fenders.
People are extremely naive if they honestly think they can produce a better package than OEM for cheaper. OEM puts in hundreds of hours of research, testing and development into their cars and their parts and since they generally make cars in huge batches, their cost is substantially lower than in the aftermarket community thus your cost is substantially lower.
Edit: The prices you use in your initial list are also wrong, you won't get a good suspension setup for 1500$ CAD, try 3000$-10000$. Same goes for the turbo and tune, you need the turbo, the exhaust manifold, exhaust system, intercooler, piping and possibly other supporting mods. I could see that ballooning to 5000$ easily if you want decent parts.
People are extremely naive if they honestly think they can produce a better package than OEM for cheaper. OEM puts in hundreds of hours of research, testing and development into their cars and their parts and since they generally make cars in huge batches, their cost is substantially lower than in the aftermarket community thus your cost is substantially lower.
Edit: The prices you use in your initial list are also wrong, you won't get a good suspension setup for 1500$ CAD, try 3000$-10000$. Same goes for the turbo and tune, you need the turbo, the exhaust manifold, exhaust system, intercooler, piping and possibly other supporting mods. I could see that ballooning to 5000$ easily if you want decent parts.
Jan 6, 2010 | 04:07 PM
#97
Evolving Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: Winnipeg
Speaking of making horses has anyone test driven that new Hyundai Genesis with the turbo I think it makes aprox 210 or something, it's not all wheel drive or anything but I am talking Bang for the buck. Maybe thinking of buying one for my oldest boy as he turns 19 later this year.
Jan 6, 2010 | 04:11 PM
#98
It's supposed to be the next 240, cheap, RWD and easy to mod. Personally I wouldn't trust a 19 year old with one, I still remember what it was like to be 19 and I got into enough trouble with 120 FWD HP.
Jan 6, 2010 | 04:18 PM
#99
Account Disabled
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Speaking of making horses has anyone test driven that new Hyundai Genesis with the turbo I think it makes aprox 210 or something, it's not all wheel drive or anything but I am talking Bang for the buck. Maybe thinking of buying one for my oldest boy as he turns 19 later this year.
you guys know that the turbo only spikes to 7psi and tapers to 3 psi at redline?
there is either alot more in that turbo/engine, or anymore might blow the whole set up!
if i was a canadian kid(which i am), id much rather one of the new cobalts, or a 2008 ms3, fwd>rwd and both cars are cheapish to mod and are quick and safe from the factory.
Jan 6, 2010 | 04:23 PM
#100
AMS has or had a Genesis for parts development, the car is very detuned from the factory.
If I was a kid, I'd agree, a high HP FWD car would be great but there's a reason why insurance is through the roof for young males.
If I was a kid, I'd agree, a high HP FWD car would be great but there's a reason why insurance is through the roof for young males.
Jan 6, 2010 | 05:17 PM
#101
Evolved Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 561
Likes: 0
From: NJ
Speaking of making horses has anyone test driven that new Hyundai Genesis with the turbo I think it makes aprox 210 or something, it's not all wheel drive or anything but I am talking Bang for the buck. Maybe thinking of buying one for my oldest boy as he turns 19 later this year.
The only aspect that I liked was the styling of the interior. It didn't feel that luxurious but it definitely didn't feel plasticy cheap like the ralliart.
My first car was a 01 Celica (and I loved my car), so I still think the genesis coupe is a nicer car to have for a first car. If you don't mind the exterior styling
Jan 6, 2010 | 06:24 PM
#103
I think the interior of the Genesis Coupe was pretty nice; felt like I was sitting in a fighter plane. Naturally that would get old for long trips, but for sport driving it feels nice. I felt that that 2.0L turbo model was very slow though, especially when comparing to the Ralliart. But for the money it is a great car, and I was highly considering it before I fell in love with my Ralliart. 
-Taranis
-Taranis
Jan 6, 2010 | 08:33 PM
#104
Newbie
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
From: Canmore, AB
With the Premium Package the MR is around 53k. If your paying 48k already what's another 5 large for the sunroof, nav, premium sound system, leather seats etc.
For my RA I didn't get the Premium option because 5,000 is a lot more on a 32K car. I don't regret it... there's only one highway where I live so the nav is boring, I had a sunroof in the SX2.0 and rarely used it, the sound system isn't really that fantastic... the seats are nice tho.
For my RA I didn't get the Premium option because 5,000 is a lot more on a 32K car. I don't regret it... there's only one highway where I live so the nav is boring, I had a sunroof in the SX2.0 and rarely used it, the sound system isn't really that fantastic... the seats are nice tho.
