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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 04:30 PM
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Is this the correct output of power that I should be getting??

Is this the correct output of power that I should be getting?? This doent seem likely and seems very low... they are 245hp-260trq he said that he got it to 260hp-265trq, but said the tranny was slipping, and that the engine was knocking, how could this be when there are people with the evo turbo and intercooler and such making well over 300whp and wtrq with no issues? and im not able to keep it in the 260s and this is with 20PSI of boost :/ I believe was done with a evo definition

So here I am sitting at 245/260 ...Sucks and to tell you with just the intake, exhaust, BOV. I was sitting at 232/240 with no tune..With Notune!!! meaning for $550 I didnt get much gain at all!! ERRRRR...

I have a Cone short ram intake, 3in exhaust starting from the part were the downpipe ends, Mangna flow Exhaust that has a Dual 2.5 outlet, HKS SSqVIII BOV, custom tune, and Manual Boost Controller.

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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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Knock is relative. The larger turbo can produce more power on less pressure because it flows more air. For instance, on a evo x turbo, at the same boost you hit now, you would make more power.

240s is perfectly reasonable for a catback, cone, and tune. The ssqv isnt a magical tool that produces power, infact there are alot of articles showing how leaky they tend to be. The boost controller is nothing more then a tool to control boost. On the stock RA turbo, there is just only so much power to be made.

A big issue you are obviously running into is heat. Running the highest possible octane gas you can for a retune is key, but more importantly a larger front mount and piping will make the difference you are looking for. The stock RA intercooler couldnt cool the turbo on a smart car.

If you really want to max out the car, get an evo X intercooler, an upper/lower pipe combo, and at least a Test pipe.

Go back, and youll more then likely make 250 whp 270 torque or more. But please keep in mind, those numbers are useless without a baseline pull on said dyno. Without the baseline, you dont know what you've gained.

EDIT - might wanna suggest the tuner turns the ASC off on the dyno. that would help with the "slipping"
Old Dec 11, 2010 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Westbound&down
Knock is relative. The larger turbo can produce more power on less pressure because it flows more air. For instance, on a evo x turbo, at the same boost you hit now, you would make more power.

240s is perfectly reasonable for a catback, cone, and tune. The ssqv isnt a magical tool that produces power, infact there are alot of articles showing how leaky they tend to be. The boost controller is nothing more then a tool to control boost. On the stock RA turbo, there is just only so much power to be made.

A big issue you are obviously running into is heat. Running the highest possible octane gas you can for a retune is key, but more importantly a larger front mount and piping will make the difference you are looking for. The stock RA intercooler couldnt cool the turbo on a smart car.

If you really want to max out the car, get an evo X intercooler, an upper/lower pipe combo, and at least a Test pipe.

Go back, and youll more then likely make 250 whp 270 torque or more. But please keep in mind, those numbers are useless without a baseline pull on said dyno. Without the baseline, you dont know what you've gained.

EDIT - might wanna suggest the tuner turns the ASC off on the dyno. that would help with the "slipping"
ive also heard with the asc on it is likely to screw up the trans, is this true westbound?
Old Dec 11, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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ive also heard with the asc on it is likely to screw up the trans, is this true westbound?
You can't run the car on the dyno with the ASC on.
Old Dec 11, 2010 | 11:30 PM
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You'll get slip in Normal mode - not many tuners have cracked the SST code yet, and those that have are not sharing.

260 is about right for the mods, tell the tuner you'll only drive it in Sports mode.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 12:36 AM
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You can't run the car on the dyno with the ASC on.
This is not a true statement.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
This is not a true statement.
Right, however I've always heard that's it's BAD to put the car on a dyno without turning OFF the ASC. Is this statement correct?
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Slee256
Right, however I've always heard that's it's BAD to put the car on a dyno without turning OFF the ASC. Is this statement correct?
I heard it is bad
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Westbound&down
Knock is relative. The larger turbo can produce more power on less pressure because it flows more air. For instance, on a evo x turbo, at the same boost you hit now, you would make more power.

240s is perfectly reasonable for a catback, cone, and tune. The ssqv isnt a magical tool that produces power, infact there are alot of articles showing how leaky they tend to be. The boost controller is nothing more then a tool to control boost. On the stock RA turbo, there is just only so much power to be made.

A big issue you are obviously running into is heat. Running the highest possible octane gas you can for a retune is key, but more importantly a larger front mount and piping will make the difference you are looking for. The stock RA intercooler couldnt cool the turbo on a smart car.

If you really want to max out the car, get an evo X intercooler, an upper/lower pipe combo, and at least a Test pipe.

Go back, and youll more then likely make 250 whp 270 torque or more. But please keep in mind, those numbers are useless without a baseline pull on said dyno. Without the baseline, you dont know what you've gained.

EDIT - might wanna suggest the tuner turns the ASC off on the dyno. that would help with the "slipping"

Thanks for the info I guess I'll need a intercooler for power gain, but what about the transmission holding this power. If its having problems with just this much at 260, should the intercooler maybe be the solution to this issue, even tho it doesn't tie itself to the transmission? I understand the BOV has nothing to do with Power gain, and could actually do the opposite if its faulty, I just included it cause its part of the list.

But why would i need a test pipe? it would just be a waste of money, Since I have a 3in Straight going from the Turbo to the muffler.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 08:55 AM
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you actually do not have turbo back exhaust if you do not have the downpipe. You have catback exhaust prolly with a test pipe/high flow cat. The downpipe if im correct is what will run up towards the turbo. Having a downpipe is actually very good because no matter how big your exhaust may be beyond it, your exhaust must still have to squeeze through that small oem piping!
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umm lol ignore that last bit as i had some kinda weird word dyslexia or something lol but ya still your catalytic converter inhibits the free flow of exhaust and can hamper performance quiet alot, no matter how big your exhaust is, it still has to be stuffed in that cat which is bad. Unless you have already removed it...

both statements are true above lol i just somehow mixed the words up lol oops

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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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you actually do not have turbo back exhaust if you do not have the downpipe. You have catback exhaust prolly with a test pipe/high flow cat. The downpipe if im correct is what will run up towards the turbo. Having a downpipe is actually very good because no matter how big your exhaust may be beyond it, your exhaust must still have to squeeze through that small oem piping!
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umm lol ignore that last bit as i had some kinda weird word dyslexia or something lol but ya still your catalytic converter inhibits the free flow of exhaust and can hamper performance quiet alot, no matter how big your exhaust is, it still has to be stuffed in that cat which is bad. Unless you have already removed it...

both statements are true above lol i just somehow mixed the words up lol oops
Basically what im trying to say is that i have a catless cat back, my 3in exhaust piping starts from where the OEM downpipe left off is were im getting at.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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The problem is clear that when I up the boost the tyranny slips... so what does this mean, I cant buy a evo turbo and intercooler? Since my tranny can't handle more?

Could this boostercontroller be the problem? Since I'm using it instead of the boost pill? I noticed today when I upped the boost the gears changed from 2nd and skipped 3&4 I didn't even see the numbers on the screen it just went 2.. 5.. 6 :/
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Slee256
Right, however I've always heard that's it's BAD to put the car on a dyno without turning OFF the ASC. Is this statement correct?
If your RA makes enough power to lose some traction while strapped down tightly to a dyno and you don't want the ASC to come on and lose some power then sure.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 2010 Rallihead
The problem is clear that when I up the boost the tyranny slips... so what does this mean, I cant buy a evo turbo and intercooler? Since my tranny can't handle more?

Could this boostercontroller be the problem? Since I'm using it instead of the boost pill? I noticed today when I upped the boost the gears changed from 2nd and skipped 3&4 I didn't even see the numbers on the screen it just went 2.. 5.. 6 :/
The tranny can handle it fine, my personal RA is producing twice the factory power and runs 27psi straight across. You need proper tuning.
Old Dec 12, 2010 | 12:11 PM
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Twice the factory power??? That's like 193x2 meaning 386HP and more than 400trq **** 0_0



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