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Old May 24, 2005, 09:28 AM
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evo will win from the dig might be close from a roll.
the ls1 on slick at the track can cut a 1.6 60ft on the street its a diffrent story 1.8 to 2.0 if he comes out good.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
500 lbs advantage, and he was pushing more than 600whp due to the boost being set at 35 instead of 30.
Yes that, and Fords suck, lol. We're talking about a Chevy here
Old May 24, 2005, 10:09 AM
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Well the Evo definitely killed the cammed/nitrous Camaro, but who knows how powerful that thing really was...
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Ok a quick visit over to LS1tech.com has helped me understand a little better, well yeah low 11s are definitly possible with the gears and drag radials, those cars really do hook up well. So I believe it will be pretty close, but I wouldn't be surprised if he took you. This is interesting change, but I believe if you raced him from a roll you would easily beat him, but from a dig you may lose. I guess the slicks/drag radials and the gears are the equalizers for AWD.

You know I don't know, why don't you just race him and let us all know who wins, I hate these threads because the people want predictions, which we give them and never get back to us with the results

Cool you did some research! Thanks for at least looking into it... I belong to racersden.net, there are alot of LS1s, Cobra's, etc, etc over there and they have this:

http://www.racersden.net/forum/timeslips.php?

I have alot of friends who race LS1s, both auto's and 6spds. 430 hp with 500 ft/lbs can change EVERYTHING

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hey dug-e-fresh... this is way off topic, but I passed a major wrx accident scene on the DC beltway sat. night. There were also a bunch of WRXs stopped on the side of the road. You know anything about it, or anyone involved? Definitely looked like a WRX/AWD/Turbo meet caravan of some sort...
Old May 24, 2005, 01:36 PM
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win/lose for either car, it is going to be one hell of a race if they both can drive. post a vid cause it should be good.
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Originally Posted by SterlingEvo
hey dug-e-fresh... this is way off topic, but I passed a major wrx accident scene on the DC beltway sat. night. There were also a bunch of WRXs stopped on the side of the road. You know anything about it, or anyone involved? Definitely looked like a WRX/AWD/Turbo meet caravan of some sort...
Nah... I think there may have been a dyno day this past weekend... I will look into it.

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why cant a 2.3l rev to 9 grand and the 2.0l can? makes no sense
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i've seen a evo w/ nos beat a srt 10 by a hair and i have been in a Transam with 600+whp, now from feeling the TA's power, damn that car can move, but from seeing that race, makes me want an evo even more but the point is, muscle cars have mad power and putting them on slicks just makes them even more faster so i think you will have a very tough time being it though the awd makes a difference on take off but you better be a damn good driver to keep up
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Cams make a huge difference. The Power to weight is on the EVOs side. The EVO also utilizes horsepower very effectively, and a 440AWHP should trap 120+, a 430RWHP should also trap 120+, so I don't really see how some are saying an EVO can't keep up with a Camaro from a roll. I believe it will be a close race either way, why underestimate the EVO, don't we have enough muscle car owners that do that???

Also you say ford sucks, well a lot of those 03/04 Cobras have no problem pulling away from Camaros.
Old May 24, 2005, 04:31 PM
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My point is, it's not always about how much HP you make, but how it's used. Look at the many Supras that make 800RWHP+ and run low 10s/high 9s@135MPH+. Then look at Turbo Trix and Dyno Flash EVO, they make around 650-660AWHP and run 9s@135MPH+
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Cams make a huge difference. The Power to weight is on the EVOs side. The EVO also utilizes horsepower very effectively, and a 440AWHP should trap 120+, a 430RWHP should also trap 120+, so I don't really see how some are saying an EVO can't keep up with a Camaro from a roll. I believe it will be a close race either way, why underestimate the EVO, don't we have enough muscle car owners that do that???

Also you say ford sucks, well a lot of those 03/04 Cobras have no problem pulling away from Camaros.
Been there done that. Drivers race at best. Boost braking from a roll can keep the Evo in the game if done correctly. Went several times and inconclusive results. Cars pulled equally up top IMo. I say from a dig if he has gears and slicks he has an advantage but from a roll and him w/o slicks u have the advantage. On the streets from a dig on street tires no explanation needed. remember drag radials and gears are a great equalizer and takes the AWD advantage and puts them in the drivers seat when launching. Go to the strip and watch Cobras and ls1s on slick/gears complaining about high 1.6-to low 1.7 60 ft. They can and will cut 1.5s and run low 11s and high 10s at 120mph. Sickening but reality sucks. Also beware of autos with stalls because they will ownz with less power. Btw 3000ways good recovery.
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
My point is, it's not always about how much HP you make, but how it's used. Look at the many Supras that make 800RWHP+ and run low 10s/high 9s@135MPH+. Then look at Turbo Trix and Dyno Flash EVO, they make around 650-660AWHP and run 9s@135MPH+
Don't compare supra to american muscle. American Muscle will win whp-whp against lag/traction limited supras. Tq is a great equalizer also. Supras are badazz and from a roll they ownz but gears and slicks on muscle ownz. Just great that Evos and Supras and even SRT4 s can compete and win on occasion.
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Originally Posted by siQness
why cant a 2.3l rev to 9 grand and the 2.0l can? makes no sense
The 2.3l has much higher piston speeds at a given rpm, therefore, more stress on the rods. It gets worse at higher rpm's because the stress grows exponentially.
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
My point is, it's not always about how much HP you make, but how it's used. Look at the many Supras that make 800RWHP+ and run low 10s/high 9s@135MPH+. Then look at Turbo Trix and Dyno Flash EVO, they make around 650-660AWHP and run 9s@135MPH+
800-900 whp Supra's should be well into the high 140 mph traps, some as high as 150+.

mid 600 whp Supra's trap 135+

those 800-900 whp Supra's that trap 148-152 mph make about 600-650 whp on pump gas, and thats what they run around my way, 135-138 mph.

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