No Excuses rules discussion - I have a question
May 30, 2008, 03:33 PM
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May 30, 2008, 03:50 PM
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The DSM Shotout is the place and time
One point - not directed to you but a general obsevration - all this tension and hating between the various parties is counterproductive and not needed in Ohio
Everyone there in past years gets along and has a great time as fellow racers and enjoys the spriit of shared interest and passion for cars
It would be a shame to have the wonderful experience there ruined by a few bad apples
I hope everyone who comes comes with the right frame of mind - win, loose or draw its having fun playing the game that counts the most
Al
May 30, 2008, 04:07 PM
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I agree
The DSM Shotout is the place and time
One point - not directed to you but a general obsevration - all this tension and hating between the various parties is counterproductive and not needed in Ohio
Everyone there in past years gets along and has a great time as fellow racers and enjoys the spriit of shared interest and passion for cars
It would be a shame to have the wonderful experience there ruined by a few bad apples
I hope everyone who comes comes with the right frame of mind - win, loose or draw its having fun playing the game that counts the most
Al
The DSM Shotout is the place and time
One point - not directed to you but a general obsevration - all this tension and hating between the various parties is counterproductive and not needed in Ohio
Everyone there in past years gets along and has a great time as fellow racers and enjoys the spriit of shared interest and passion for cars
It would be a shame to have the wonderful experience there ruined by a few bad apples
I hope everyone who comes comes with the right frame of mind - win, loose or draw its having fun playing the game that counts the most
Al
I am sure once everyone gets together at the event and can shake hands and meet face to face all will go fine.. Let the cars speak for themselves.. 1st to the end the track is all that matters!!
May 30, 2008, 05:56 PM
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Mike that is correct and I didn't touch on that. The ET light at the end of the track if the car is low will also trip the ET light early with the front fascia. There are a lot of guys that play that game and hit the brakes right at the ET stripe, tripping the lights early.
I just measured our car from the tip of the fascia to the back of the front tire, it is 3.5' difference.
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I just measured our car from the tip of the fascia to the back of the front tire, it is 3.5' difference.
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I overheard a team at the Sport Compact Shootout tell their driver to pull the 'chute just before the lights. I didn't understand why at the time, but now I think I do.
Sure enough later that day that particular car popped the chute, even though most of the time they run they do not use it. Maybe they were trying to break a record? Is that considered "cheating" just like using real low bodywork?? Don't know the answer, just asking for clarification. Thanks!
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May 30, 2008, 06:03 PM
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Paul I was really hoping to meet you and Lucas.
I'm still going to be there to race, meet and greet everyone.
NO EXCUSES!
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May 30, 2008, 06:08 PM
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You people can't just pick and choose rules that are in your favor. . . .
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May 30, 2008, 07:10 PM
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Who makes the most HP
Who builds the toughest engines
who make good upgrades for drivetrain parts
Who makes good lightweight parts
Who is the best tuner
THEN, there's things I don't give a **** about
Who has a roll cage
Who's driver cuts the best 60's
Who's driver has the best r/t
Who's driver has the highest tolerance for hot coolant
Basically, if you're cheating the tree, I think you're just plain cheating and trying to make me think your car is actually better than it is... but if you have a more dependable rear axle or lack a roll cage or scattershield or battery kill switch, who cares? I'm not going to buy parts based on that.
Maybe if these things are that big of a deal, Buschur can add some rules to the quick 16 at DSM shootout to cover them... and Paul should make the drive and race even though he won't get to see Magnus
May 30, 2008, 07:24 PM
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I beg to differ, as a consumer, and the target audience for "the quickest Evo belongs to whatever shop" contest going on here, there are things I DO care about
Who makes the most HP
Who builds the toughest engines
who make good upgrades for drivetrain parts
Who makes good lightweight parts
Who is the best tuner
THEN, there's things I don't give a **** about
Who has a roll cage
Who's driver cuts the best 60's
Who's driver has the best r/t
Who's driver has the highest tolerance for hot coolant
Basically, if you're cheating the tree, I think you're just plain cheating and trying to make me think your car is actually better than it is... but if you have a more dependable rear axle or lack a roll cage or scattershield or battery kill switch, who cares? I'm not going to buy parts based on that.
Maybe if these things are that big of a deal, Buschur can add some rules to the quick 16 at DSM shootout to cover them... and Paul should make the drive and race even though he won't get to see Magnus
Who makes the most HP
Who builds the toughest engines
who make good upgrades for drivetrain parts
Who makes good lightweight parts
Who is the best tuner
THEN, there's things I don't give a **** about
Who has a roll cage
Who's driver cuts the best 60's
Who's driver has the best r/t
Who's driver has the highest tolerance for hot coolant
Basically, if you're cheating the tree, I think you're just plain cheating and trying to make me think your car is actually better than it is... but if you have a more dependable rear axle or lack a roll cage or scattershield or battery kill switch, who cares? I'm not going to buy parts based on that.
Maybe if these things are that big of a deal, Buschur can add some rules to the quick 16 at DSM shootout to cover them... and Paul should make the drive and race even though he won't get to see Magnus
I wish this was in Vegas. Much closer and Less for gas especially with gas getting over $5 a gallon( Diesel)
I know allot of people i really want to meet will be there like the east coast boys and Florida boys
May 30, 2008, 07:30 PM
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Roll cage and ALL safety rules are also NHRA general rules, not class specific. They apply to any car running at any track for everyone's safety. I say we throw out all times lower than 9,99 or over 135MPH that were run without a roll cage because the cars didn't meet NHRA rules.
You people can't just pick and choose rules that are in your favor. . . .
You people can't just pick and choose rules that are in your favor. . . .
However, I feel there is a huge distniction between a saftey rule and a rule which effects the timing of a car.
Al
May 30, 2008, 07:30 PM
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I should have worded it differently.
Of course Buschur can pick and choose the rules that are in his favor. After all he's the one shelling out the $$$$$ to put on the event. It's HIS event. The ESA class is built around the parts he sells.
What I don't like is saying that we have to follow a certain rule BECAUSE its in the NHRA RULE BOOK. In that case we should have to follow EVERY rule in the NHRA rule book.
Rather than bringing up the whole NHRA thing, just ADD whatever rule you want to the DSM/EVO shootout rules without bringing NHRA into it. I agree that having a minimum height is a good rule to have for fairness, NOT just because NHRA says it should be that way . . .
I HATE the NHRA rules, and I hope the DSM/EVO shootout never adopts them (specifically the roll cage/kill switch rules).
Of course Buschur can pick and choose the rules that are in his favor. After all he's the one shelling out the $$$$$ to put on the event. It's HIS event. The ESA class is built around the parts he sells.
What I don't like is saying that we have to follow a certain rule BECAUSE its in the NHRA RULE BOOK. In that case we should have to follow EVERY rule in the NHRA rule book.
Rather than bringing up the whole NHRA thing, just ADD whatever rule you want to the DSM/EVO shootout rules without bringing NHRA into it. I agree that having a minimum height is a good rule to have for fairness, NOT just because NHRA says it should be that way . . .
I HATE the NHRA rules, and I hope the DSM/EVO shootout never adopts them (specifically the roll cage/kill switch rules).
