Pure Stock 06 RS 12.86 w/only a 9sec9 tune.
May 10, 2009, 03:28 PM
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We did not make it into the 11's today, but came pretty damn close. Eliminations started after the 12.07 pass, and I should have listened to 9sec9 and left it where it was. We lowered the tire psi and raised the two step in an attempt to get more bite. The very next pass I knocked the tires loose and ran a 1.76 60' for a 12.255@112.41. The next pass we went back to our standard tire psi and lowered the two step. Which after looking at the logs was the right thing to do. The car in front of me was running street tires and drug water all the way to the line, which after he ran I lined up slightly out of the groove, no problem. The SUV I was running against was dialed in at a 17.37 which meant I had to sit for 5.37 seconds. I went up three times on the two step waiting and left with low boost, cut a .022 light and bogged. It ran a 1.801 60' 12.409@112.04 which was the end of our day.
I really felt bad for 9sec9 with all his hard work creating this tune to be so close to our goal and not get it. I felt there was a high 1.5 60' and a high 11.90 there under the right conditions. We learned alot today, I worked on my driving, * no miss shifts today, and in the end we proved for under 150.00 in mods and the right tune the stock parts work well. Well enough to run low 12's possibly high 11's. At this point 9sec9 and I are going to evaluate where we are and make a decision to go forward, or make another attempt into the 11's as is. Weather permitting we should have a couple of days next week to make another attempt. Thanks for all your support, Indy and 9sec9
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May 10, 2009, 04:34 PM
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" and in the end we proved for under 150.00 in mods and the right tune the stock parts work well. Well enough to run low 12's possibly high 11's."
Congrats on great runs, but I have a question. It says for under 150 in mods but the pic shows the car on Volk CE28's??? Were they on the car when it did those passes?
Congrats on great runs, but I have a question. It says for under 150 in mods but the pic shows the car on Volk CE28's??? Were they on the car when it did those passes?
May 10, 2009, 05:02 PM
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Brian, many, many many racers change tires and wheels. They've been clearly mentioned before. Yes they were on the car and they weigh 39+ lbs per wheel. These are not 15's, they're 17 x 8.5's and 24 lb tires. Not 14 lb motorcycle slicks. Stock is around 43-44 I believe. A meager savings, considering he's also still carrying the spare tire and everything else that the car came with. His previous wheels and tires were heavier than stock, so I loaned him my setup. Nearly everyone has to change tires at some time. 39 lbs isn't what I, or you, would call light weights.
May 10, 2009, 05:26 PM
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Brian, many, many many racers change tires and wheels. They've been clearly mentioned before. Yes they were on the car and they weigh 39+ lbs per wheel. These are not 15's, they're 17 x 8.5's and 24 lb tires. Not 14 lb motorcycle slicks. Stock is around 43-44 I believe. A meager savings, considering he's also still carrying the spare tire and everything else that the car came with. His previous wheels and tires were heavier than stock, so I loaned him my setup. Nearly everyone has to change tires at some time. 39 lbs isn't what I, or you, would call light weights.
Saturday was a parts install day(struts/springs-back on Bilstein MR's w/Swift Spec R's, wheels/tires-Volk CE28N's w/BFG Drag Radials, Hallman MBC, and an Buschur air filter), tuning
Saturday was a parts install day(struts/springs-back on Bilstein MR's w/Swift Spec R's, wheels/tires-Volk CE28N's w/BFG Drag Radials, Hallman MBC, and an Buschur air filter), tuning
Then it isnt under $150 in mods and the car is also not stock weight as was mentioned.
Even 5 pounds(per corner) of rotating mass savings is quite huge especially when your talking about tires/wheels since the mass is quite a large circumference. I'm not taking away from the achievement, but it is misleading for the new guys not in the know.
And not too mention this tire/wheel setup is allowing for a bigger contact area for better grip. So even though you are making it sound as if it is nothing, it is quite the mod and is a $3k mod....
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May 10, 2009, 05:40 PM
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Brian, you mention CONTACT PATCH. 225 is smaller than 235 STOCK the last time I checked. And by the way, you conveniently must not have read all of Indy's previous post PRIOR to us running that he was using my borrowed wheels and very detailed descriptions of the tires. Like I've seen you post on many occassions, Please don't trash up his thread. There's no room for putting down what he's done. Many things are 'known' but not posted about many other cars. This thread is about Indy's car and I don't think we're required to 'repost' previous posts, just for the convenience of those not wanting to read.
May 10, 2009, 05:41 PM
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May 10, 2009, 05:48 PM
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Thanks for pointing that out Keith. The previous posts have clearly stated what mods the car has, but it seems that lack of reading on one persons part becomes an obligation on our part. Also, the thread was STARTED with stock wheels and heavier tires, not AFTER we changed to the new wheels and tires. It's kind of difficult to follow a cars' progress if changes can't be made as the car goes along the path to a goal.
By the way Keith, I hear that you've got a car that's really looking good. Nice work too!
By the way Keith, I hear that you've got a car that's really looking good. Nice work too!
May 10, 2009, 05:59 PM
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Brian, you mention CONTACT PATCH. 225 is smaller than 235 STOCK the last time I checked. And by the way, you conveniently must not have read all of Indy's previous post PRIOR to us running that he was using my borrowed wheels and very detailed descriptions of the tires. Like I've seen you post on many occassions, Please don't trash up his thread. There's no room for putting down what he's done. Many things are 'known' but not posted about many other cars. This thread is about Indy's car and I don't think we're required to 'repost' previous posts, just for the convenience of those not wanting to read.
As for the tire/wheel I was referring to the 8.5 width wheel allowing for a bigger tire. I didnt see what tire he was using anywhere, but even little things like wheel width affect the curvature of the same size tire on different width wheels affecting contact patch...
And while we are disputing the 150. If we are only talking about engine mods and not the work he did to the suspension/ wheel tire combo. How does a Hallman MBC, Filter, and tune only cost 150???
No worries, now that I have expressed my thoughts on the topic and the 150 mods comment I will refrain from posting any more... I guess I am missing the point.
May 10, 2009, 06:11 PM
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For those reading this, I will explain what is being expressed. First of all, I don't think that too many 225's get BETTER contact patch on an 8.5" wheel. Quite the contrary. That's why when we dropped tire pressure to 22, we LOST traction instead of increasing it. Also, since we've clearly mentioned that the wheels are 17's and the LARGEST BF Goodrich tire in a 17 is 225, there's no way that the tire or it's contact patch would have been larger. We've also tried to fully disclose the temperature, barometric pressure, humidity and many other factors in previous posts, just in the interest of full disclosure. Thanks for the words of encouragement. We will continue to post our mods and their results, as long as we can stay on track.
May 10, 2009, 06:18 PM
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Thanks for pointing that out Keith. The previous posts have clearly stated what mods the car has, but it seems that lack of reading on one persons part becomes an obligation on our part. Also, the thread was STARTED with stock wheels and heavier tires, not AFTER we changed to the new wheels and tires. It's kind of difficult to follow a cars' progress if changes can't be made as the car goes along the path to a goal.
By the way Keith, I hear that you've got a car that's really looking good. Nice work too!
By the way Keith, I hear that you've got a car that's really looking good. Nice work too!
Lack of reading on my part...
Again this is what was said from the OP-
"and in the end we proved for under 150.00 in mods" "Well enough to run low 12's possibly high 11's"
I'm not disputing what was done, just the fact that no one can duplicate it for 150... Thats it, nothing more, nothing less. You can try to make me out to be the bad guy or whatever. Bottom line is this....
MR suspension
Swift springs
Buschur filter
Hallman MBC
Custom tune
Volk CE28's
BG Goodridge Drag Radial
DOES NOT equal 150 in mods.....
Best of luck with the next stage. Regardless of cost it is coming along nicely and is showing great results
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