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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 12:34 PM
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Case study # 22 - How air intakes make your car run lean and how tuning helps

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Nothing new here - this is just a refresher as I still see dozens of peoplerunning HKS suction intake, ARC and Buschur all of which distort the maf sesnor reading. All aftermarket intakes need a retune of the stock ecu by a piggy back or reflash.

Here is a customer with basic 3 " exhuast, EBC (20 psi) and

ARC intake does with stock ecu

Note the ultra lean a/f ratio due to the new intake's distortion of the MAF sesnsor

The lean a/f results in knock activity and the ecu selectively pulling ignition timing in various areas - this brings us the weak dyno numbers and rough power band

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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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Note as we go richer on the tuning back to normal levels - we see a smoother and smoother power band created

11.1 / 1 is where we will see max power and a smooth curve

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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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The richer - the smoother

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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 12:48 PM
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Here is the final result - a nice result - drives great !

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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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ahh....great results and safe tuning....nice as always Al
Old Nov 26, 2004 | 02:11 PM
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so if we were tuned for a plain cone filter and switch to hard piping like injen or hks would we still need a retune since we were already tuned for a filter?
Old Nov 30, 2004 | 06:39 PM
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Alls I know is that Al your product rocks!
Old Dec 1, 2004 | 06:44 AM
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yes you would still need to tune. the problem is the cone-style filter that distorts the MAF reading and causes some lean conditions.
Old Dec 1, 2004 | 08:01 AM
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Another Tibit, you must get a reflash if you replace the intake you had a custom flash done on.
Old Dec 1, 2004 | 08:05 AM
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Al, have you made good power with the k&n Typhoon yet?
Old Dec 1, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by eve-slow
Al, have you made good power with the k&n Typhoon yet?
We have found the K & N Typhoon is not a good intake - in most cases we have seen it acutally makes less whp than the stock air box

With that intake a custom tune is best as they are very inconsistant
Old Feb 24, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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al is the hks rs intake a good part to by or what do u think
Old May 2, 2005 | 03:46 AM
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looks like this is what I was looking for.

that a/f ratio looks almost exactly like mine with the whp/torque lines being almost like mine...

looks like dynoflash for me! If Al ever comes back from where ever he is... I think he's just ignoring me...
Old May 2, 2005 | 03:57 AM
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thanks for the info!
Old May 2, 2005 | 04:11 AM
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would i still have to get my car tuned if i put on an HKS RS intake on my stock evo?



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