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Old Sep 10, 2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MalibuJack
You really can't tune closed loop without fooling the 02 sensor.. Unless what you mean is your tuning the open loop cells within closed loop to hit your target AFR's, which in turn will allow the fuel trims to be as close to zero as possible.

There is good news though, I think I found closed loop target tables in the ECU.. working on it for the next few days.
What I am doing is using the LM-1 to simulate NBO2 voltage to fool the ECU. This way I can set-up closed loop AFR to what I want. Check it out.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=220917

And here is the theory behind it from the Innovate forums

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/f...ead.php?t=4505
Old Sep 10, 2006, 02:54 PM
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ZT2 Selectable Simulated Narrowband Signal Switching Point.

http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Old Sep 10, 2006, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
ZT2 Selectable Simulated Narrowband Signal Switching Point.

http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Good to know that ZT2 does that. What others do this? Did you do this Spec'd?
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Good to know that ZT2 does that. What others do this? Did you do this Spec'd?
No nj1266, I haven't really found a need to make my closed loop a/f any leaner.
It seems to be plenty lean at idle and low load.


It's admirable how Klaus replies and participates on the Innovative forum.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...read.php?t=4505

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Old Sep 10, 2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
No nj1266, I haven't really found a need to make my closed loop a/f any leaner.
It seems to be plenty lean at idle and low load.


It's admirable how Klaus replies and participates on the Innovative forum.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...read.php?t=4505
Wow, your running leaner than 14.7:1 at idle. Mine ran 14.5-14.7 at idle, right where it should be. I hope I can get better gas mileage running @ 15.5:1

Klaus is great. Has has answered every question that I asked.
Old Sep 10, 2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Wow, your running leaner than 14.7:1 at idle. Mine ran 14.5-14.7 at idle, right where it should be. I hope I can get better gas mileage running @ 15.5:1

Klaus is great. Has has answered every question that I asked.
Mine is running right around stoich most of the time. Sometimes it reads
even lower on my display. The lower readings are not consistant however.
Old Sep 12, 2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
I use an LM-1 with LMA-2 and XD-16 gauge. I log AFR, RPM, boost, and knock (thanks to xede knock buffer). I also use Evoscan to log timing, knock sum, and load.

I have recently been able to tune closed loop with the LM-1. I hope that this will save me gas. AFAIK, no other AFR meter has the capability to tune closed loop w/o a CEL.
Little OT, but when I had my VIII, I used the Zt-2 and the knock buffer to log "knock". Now that we have EVOScan, when I hooked up the Zt-2 in the IX, I didnt hook up the knock buffer because I'm just gonna use EVOScan.

Anyways, the reason with my little story is to setup a question.

Since you use EVOScan and the knock buffer, have you seen any correlation??
Like when the knock buffer shows a spike way above the noise floor, does EVOScan actully log any knock count???
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AFRMAP , But hey, it ain't knocking
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Little OT, but when I had my VIII, I used the Zt-2 and the knock buffer to log "knock". Now that we have EVOScan, when I hooked up the Zt-2 in the IX, I didnt hook up the knock buffer because I'm just gonna use EVOScan.

Anyways, the reason with my little story is to setup a question.

Since you use EVOScan and the knock buffer, have you seen any correlation??
Like when the knock buffer shows a spike way above the noise floor, does EVOScan actully log any knock count???
There is an amazing overlap between the knock sum and the knock buffer voltage spikes. The KS is actually logging knock since both the Knock Buffer and KS record the same phenomenon.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
There is an amazing overlap between the knock sum and the knock buffer voltage spikes. The KS is actually logging knock since both the Knock Buffer and KS record the same phenomenon.
Got any graphs??
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
Got any graphs??
here you go

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&postcount=342
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
ZT2 Selectable Simulated Narrowband Signal Switching Point.

http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Exactly. Programmable closed loop AFR.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
And when I said the knock buffer detected knock very well (before EVOScan), everyone doubt me and said I was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
And when I said the knock buffer detected knock very well (before EVOScan), everyone doubt me and said I was wrong.
I've read that a knock buffer works well with the ZT2.
I was thinking about getting a knock buffer in addition to EcuScan.
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Originally Posted by Spec'd
I've read that a knock buffer works well with the ZT2.
I was thinking about getting a knock buffer in addition to EcuScan.
At this point in time (post evoscan release), I would stick with evoscan knocksums. There is no greater tool available for the stock ECU.


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