Best Wideband??
Oct 14, 2006, 03:57 PM
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I just waited for a used wideband to go for sale here on evom and bought it. I believe that most of them are pretty close to the same accuracy-wise (depends on sensor age, really). If I were paying retail prices for a new unit, I'd probably look at a Zeitronix, but I really don't think it matters much.
Personally, I got a 4 month old AEM UEGO for $115 shipped! Now, since I didn't really want another gauge on my a-pillar, I don't really know where to mount it. I have it temporarily jammed into the ashtray.
Personally, I got a 4 month old AEM UEGO for $115 shipped! Now, since I didn't really want another gauge on my a-pillar, I don't really know where to mount it. I have it temporarily jammed into the ashtray.
Oct 14, 2006, 06:01 PM
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There was a comparison sometime back on SCC .. it was benchmarked against the industry standard for those who are **** about it .. MOTEC WBO2 ..
ALL the WBO2 tested came within 0.2 AFR of the MOTEC .. so whichever one you get, it will be close .. of course .. the best match WAS Zeitronix
As for logging, nothing is really easier than Zeitronix ..
Innovate LM-1 has that BIG HUGE display that has to present even when you don't need it.. not to mention the additional stuff you need to get to datalog ..
PLX devices has no datalogging I know of yet .. M-500 is the wireless USB unit
AEM UEGO ?? Never used it, so no comments
Techedge wideband?? restricted datalog outputs and bulky unit
FJO ?? Never used it
BTW almost all of them uses the same Sensor .. either the NTK N1H1 or the Bosch UEGO so in the end it's the convenience, ease of use that makes one better than the other ..
have fun choosing ..
ALL the WBO2 tested came within 0.2 AFR of the MOTEC .. so whichever one you get, it will be close .. of course .. the best match WAS Zeitronix
As for logging, nothing is really easier than Zeitronix ..
Innovate LM-1 has that BIG HUGE display that has to present even when you don't need it.. not to mention the additional stuff you need to get to datalog ..
PLX devices has no datalogging I know of yet .. M-500 is the wireless USB unit
AEM UEGO ?? Never used it, so no comments
Techedge wideband?? restricted datalog outputs and bulky unit
FJO ?? Never used it
BTW almost all of them uses the same Sensor .. either the NTK N1H1 or the Bosch UEGO so in the end it's the convenience, ease of use that makes one better than the other ..
have fun choosing ..
Oct 15, 2006, 05:39 AM
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If anyone has the link to the comparison test, or knows the month of the SCC issue, please let us know. I read SCC, but I somehow missed this article.
Also, remember, if your wideband is supported by EvoScan (now at $25), the inherent logging capabilities of the wideband don't matter at all, since you probably won't use it that way. Before EvoScan, I would say that this would be the single most important factor in choosing a wideband. Now that we have a lot of loggers to choose from, it doesn't make much difference.
Also, remember, if your wideband is supported by EvoScan (now at $25), the inherent logging capabilities of the wideband don't matter at all, since you probably won't use it that way. Before EvoScan, I would say that this would be the single most important factor in choosing a wideband. Now that we have a lot of loggers to choose from, it doesn't make much difference.
Oct 15, 2006, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
People say that Zeitronix is the most accurate because there was a big WB test and guess what.... Zeitronix was the most accurate
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Thx.
Oct 15, 2006, 07:23 AM
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Some quick things I've seen/heard/read as well...
LC1's are a little noisy (outputs bounce around a bit more). They also seems to have a problem with the outputs going bad, though I hear that Innovate will (repeatedly) replace them under warranty. I've used these with VEI displays. Innovate ignores Bosch's laser-trimmed calibrations so you have to remove the sensor periodically to re-calibrate.
PLX's are nicer units, but need to be cockpit-mounted as they won't handle underhood heat. Much more stable outputs. I've also used these with VEI displays.
AEM's are supposed to be good/reliable units.
Zeitronix units are supposed to be good, but the output is not linear, so you can't easily map with third-party dataloggers.
TechEdge does not control tip temperature (important), so its design already makes it not as accurate as others.
Don't know much about FJO since everyone seems to think it's too expensive so they go with something else.
Bosch sensors are good, accurate, and low-cost, but cannot handle leaded fuels. The NTK sensors can handle leaded fuels.
LC1's are a little noisy (outputs bounce around a bit more). They also seems to have a problem with the outputs going bad, though I hear that Innovate will (repeatedly) replace them under warranty. I've used these with VEI displays. Innovate ignores Bosch's laser-trimmed calibrations so you have to remove the sensor periodically to re-calibrate.
PLX's are nicer units, but need to be cockpit-mounted as they won't handle underhood heat. Much more stable outputs. I've also used these with VEI displays.
AEM's are supposed to be good/reliable units.
Zeitronix units are supposed to be good, but the output is not linear, so you can't easily map with third-party dataloggers.
TechEdge does not control tip temperature (important), so its design already makes it not as accurate as others.
Don't know much about FJO since everyone seems to think it's too expensive so they go with something else.
Bosch sensors are good, accurate, and low-cost, but cannot handle leaded fuels. The NTK sensors can handle leaded fuels.
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Oct 15, 2006, 08:48 AM
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I see a lot of people commenting about the Innovate LM-1 and I have no idea if these people have ever used the unit.
First, there is a reason the box is large. For one, you do not need a lap top to log with the LM-1. Second, the box also does the mandatory free air caliberation so your Bosch sensor can stay accurate. Thirdly, the box also has the ability to give you error messages if your sensor is failing or not working properly. This is far better than reporting bad AFR data from a dying Bosch sensor.
Second, free air caliberation is a MUST. The Bosch sensor built-in resistor tends to "drift" with use and becomes inaccurate. Environmental conditions also affect the sensor, so you must re-caliberate the sensor otherwise you will get inaccurate AFR results.
I have had the LM-1 for almost two years and I have not had one complaint. I have the LMA-2 (for boost, knock logging, and rpm) and two xd-16 gauges. One gauge is for boost and the other is for AFR. The box is Velcroed on the tunnel between the seats in the back.
I also have an additional set of cables and a bosch sensor so I can log on other people's cars. I simply move the box from the back of my car and do some logging on theirs'.
First, there is a reason the box is large. For one, you do not need a lap top to log with the LM-1. Second, the box also does the mandatory free air caliberation so your Bosch sensor can stay accurate. Thirdly, the box also has the ability to give you error messages if your sensor is failing or not working properly. This is far better than reporting bad AFR data from a dying Bosch sensor.
Second, free air caliberation is a MUST. The Bosch sensor built-in resistor tends to "drift" with use and becomes inaccurate. Environmental conditions also affect the sensor, so you must re-caliberate the sensor otherwise you will get inaccurate AFR results.
I have had the LM-1 for almost two years and I have not had one complaint. I have the LMA-2 (for boost, knock logging, and rpm) and two xd-16 gauges. One gauge is for boost and the other is for AFR. The box is Velcroed on the tunnel between the seats in the back.
I also have an additional set of cables and a bosch sensor so I can log on other people's cars. I simply move the box from the back of my car and do some logging on theirs'.