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Old Oct 10, 2007, 07:59 PM
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Yes I know people can exceed 300whp with just a TBE and more boost, but I usually don't see it in the 330's.
Old Oct 10, 2007, 09:23 PM
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I've never messed with DLL, I usually use the power graphs on evoscan (though i don't ever consider them to be accurate of course). What needs to be done to load the evoscan .csv file into DLL? SUCH a newbie with DLL here,lol.
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Boosted, after your last PM I remembered why we are where we're at as far as 2 byte (say that 4 times fast). Like I mentioned previously just getting the airflow hz values PRE CLIP can be enough to help figure out whats going.

Jack-remember that IX's have a bigger turbo, and MR's have a specific compressor housing. 330whp from a IX is actually pretty easy with "just" a TBE and some boost.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
and MR's have a specific compressor housing.
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Old Oct 11, 2007, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I've never messed with DLL, I usually use the power graphs on evoscan (though i don't ever consider them to be accurate of course). What needs to be done to load the evoscan .csv file into DLL? SUCH a newbie with DLL here,lol.

Yea it took me like an hour to get the dang thing working, and I work with computers! Anyway, I had to download MalibuJacks "Datalog Definition File" and load it into DLL which will enable it to read EvoScan OpenPort logs (Customise/Options/File Locations and Power Graphs - change Universal Data Log Definition File). From there you just load your .CSV files from EvoScan. I found if you take all the info out of your log prior to and after 100tps DLL reads more accurate too (thanks evom).
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Originally Posted by boostedwrx
Heres some 3rd gear ones from last night when it was a little colder. Had time to take all the crap out of the csv file before I ran it through DLL too. I'm using 3050 weight because my tank was 1/2-3/4 full and I have mini battery and what not. My fat @ss is 250 so thats the weight # you see! It was also about 15 celsius not 20, but I played with the settings and the temp didnt change the graph or #'s at all. I left the scaling at 5 for everything too. What causes DLL to show the graph real jagged or spiked? Some of the graphs didnt really look like any of these, is it rough road or what? *EDIT* I clicked SAE correction and it lowered each graph by 2whp!
You can smooth your HP graph by changing the 5 to a 7. Temp / RH only changes values when SAE is checked.

In order for SAE correction to work properly you have to have it setup properly.

Absolute or Station pressure is derived from gauge pressure + 14.7 lbs./sq. in at sea level.

Seattle absolute pressure or station pressure is 101.191398

Relative humidity is determined using temperature and dew point

Here's a calculator for figuring relative humidity
http://einstein.atmos.colostate.edu/.../Humidity.html

Car weight and gear ratios and tire height must also be accurate for DLL to give accurate results.

All Evo IX's diff ratio is 4.529 unlike the VIII 6speed 4.583

Evo IX MR weight 3285 instead of VIII 6-speed 3109

Evo IX MR car definition (I think this is correct, specs from http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ro..._ix/index.html)

Data Log Lab Car Definition File
File Created: 22-Jun-2007 16:22

Car Definition Details:
Name=EVO IX MR
Description=Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR
Units=I
1st Gear Ratio=2.909
2nd Gear Ratio=1.944
3rd Gear Ratio=1.434
4th Gear Ratio=1.1
5th Gear Ratio=0.868
6th Gear Ratio=0.693
Diff Ratio=4.529
1st Gear Relative Loss=15
2nd Gear Relative Loss=10
3rd Gear Relative Loss=7
4th Gear Relative Loss=0
5th Gear Relative Loss=3
6th Gear Relative Loss=6
Drive Wheel Radius=12.7
Tyre Width=235
Tyre Profile=45
Wheel Diameter=17
Tyre RPM=796
Tyre Size Method=1
Set Point Power=110
Set Point Speed=115
Use Drag Coefficient=N
Drag Coefficient=0.40
Frontal Area=2.00
Default Gear=3
Car Weight=3285
Car Contents Weight=175
Smoothing Factor=5
Dyno Factor=0

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edited because of lack of correct information

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That's true and there are 3 different piston part numbers as well.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Hotside and Compressor have different part numbers, as does the longblock. I learned this via ACP and TAD motorsports this last spring.
Via CAPS:

MD613573 - MR compressor housing (05)
MD613524 - MR Hotside (05)
MD613573 - GSR compressor housing (05), updated from MD613567
MD613524 - GSR Hotside (05), updated from MD613521 (probably 9.8 from 03-04)

MN158029 - MR shortblock
MN158029 - GSR shortblock

So it looks like at one point the MR/GSR turbo stuff was different but was updated at one point to be the same, probably because of update from 9.8 to 10.5

Couldn't find longblock in CAPS so shortblock had to do.

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Mr. Evo IX thanks - ill update that in DLL and check it out. My settings were jacked I think, at least final drive and weight i know for sure.
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The final drive that is listed is incorrect. The 6 speed is 4.583 not 4.529

Bryan- I dont know, I have seen that stuff but was told by ACP that the MR longblock is a different part number and more expensive. As I recall its the lobecenters on the cams (that was true in the 8's anyway) and the turbo. I will have to do some more research, but keep in mind the 10.5 hotside has been around alot longer than 05.
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JB.. I did some more searching and it looks like that spec which is the one I referenced is the only one that is wrong. 4.583 for sure.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
The final drive that is listed is incorrect. The 6 speed is 4.583 not 4.529

Bryan- I dont know, I have seen that stuff but was told by ACP that the MR longblock is a different part number and more expensive. As I recall its the lobecenters on the cams (that was true in the 8's anyway) and the turbo. I will have to do some more research, but keep in mind the 10.5 hotside has been around alot longer than 05.
Cams have the same parts numbers between GSR and MR in CAPS.

However, in the UK, MR had different cams than the GSR so maybe that is where the 'rumor' started.

The 10.5 has been around longer than the 05 in other countries, doesn't mean the USA part number makes it different. Dual flapper and single flapper could be the part number differences as well.
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Bryan

True, I will retract my comments until I have more proof.

Problem with the internet and even IRL contact is its hard to tell whats myth, whats real, and whats real in certain countries versus others.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Bryan

True, I will retract my comments until I have more proof.

Problem with the internet and even IRL contact is its hard to tell whats myth, whats real, and whats real in certain countries versus others.
John,

I'm not trying to sound like I know more or am challenging you. I was actually curious with your statement so I looked it up.


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