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Old Jan 2, 2013, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K
Nice, for sure cams will open the top up. Excellent choice on the gsc s1. Personally though I'd go with s2's, especially if you plan on upgrading the turbo.
Yes S2 would be nice but I hate the major idle lope that a VIII has with them.


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That's fine very good job.
Btw i think that on 91 octane we can run with stock ignition sistem about 10/11/12 degree up top.
On 93 i'm looking for a solid 14* . Hoping is possible.
My timing map which i'm working on, is about the same , minor differences but that's all.
Mods are nearly identical.
I wanna try to peak @25psi and tape to 20/21psi, spoolin up with target of 12.5 afr and then tape to 11.5 to 6500 and 11.3 to 7500.
Afr tune is 99% done. Timing needs a lot more skills
Pretty much what I run up top, if you look at he rescale.
I tried some combinations up top but this is the most agressive that the car would take without starting to have some random knock.

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Old Jan 2, 2013, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Biggy VIII
It seems to me that you are running a little bit too much boost. Thats why you are knocking and cant run higher timing. 25psi tapering to 21 should be enough to get the same or a bit higher dyno numbers, on higher timing without knock. BBK-Full can manage some solid boost numbers, which are useless on 93 octane. Pushing the limits of the turbo is good on meth or E85.

I have posted my map for BBK-full https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/10...-post1975.html

I have pushed that turbo up to 390whp with some 50\50meth on mustang dyno.
Thanks for the feedback. I had thought of lowering the boost alittle as well. So I'll definitely do that when I return. I wanted to run around 26-27 psi since everything I have read about the Full was at its effiency range at around those boost levels on 93. But truthfully given the different gas quality and temp difference it makes sense that it will be lower.

Although the turbo has proven to make 400 on a mustang dyno on 93 but the setup/mods are a big part of that!

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Old Jan 2, 2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vmrevo9
well i've been self tuning my car for a while and this is the map i have now. its still a work in progress, i was actually working on a smoother transition for the lower load cells which i havent tried yet due to a short notice deployment. but i should be returning soon and i can continue to log and tune.

i also attached a log file from this rom. my car has always been knock prone but it has become a lot better.

i'm thinking timing is low but i can be wrong i always wonder when i see guys with higher timing in the higher rpm ranges.

i am adding some saikou-michi can catchs with the bigger 5/8" vent hole on the valve cover once i return so hopefully that will help some how.

from 5000 rpm and up is when i was seeing some knock recently so i plan on attacking this and the mivec map.

let me know what you guys think. Boost is 27peak tapering to 23. 93oct
Where are you filling up with fuel?

With a better flowing turbo like the BBK full and cams, you should be able to run 28 psi with no knock. Your timing is really low, you may be knocking from too little timing
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I usually fill up at the gas station on base or the local BP.
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Originally Posted by chetrickerman
Where are you filling up with fuel?

With a better flowing turbo like the BBK full and cams, you should be able to run 28 psi with no knock. Your timing is really low, you may be knocking from too little timing
On my recent dyno trip I had lower lower timing to where it is now past 5k rpm and it picked up power but it still knocked. That day the car wasn't it's normal self and I think it had to do with the dyno being in the corner of the shop so it didn't really have air flow.
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Originally Posted by domyz
Stock cams are holding the car like a parachute
I'd say not in terms of power - in terms of torque - YES. Parachute here is stock turbo. It is maxed out from 6.5-7k to redline already in stock cams.
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Originally Posted by evodomUA
I'd say not in terms of power - in terms of torque - YES. Parachute here is stock turbo. It is maxed out from 6.5-7k to redline already in stock cams.
VIII have great gain from upgraded cams


Quick example (https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...no-here-2.html):
S1 stock turbo

Old Jan 3, 2013, 07:34 AM
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Nice promotion of cams) Stock cams capable of the same power on top. I can say even more after 6/5k even cosi m2 gives the same power on stock turbo and 98RON.
Hot side of stock 9 turbo is bottle neck here, not cams, at least on 98 RON.

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Originally Posted by dom11
Nice promotion of cams) Stock cams capable of the same power on top. I can say even more after 6/5k even cosi m2 gives the same power on stock turbo and 98RON.
Hot side of stock 9 turbo is bottle neck here, not cams, at least on 98 RON.
You are one hell of a troll, sir...
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Originally Posted by Biggy VIII
You are one hell of a troll, sir...


Originally Posted by dom11
Nice promotion of cams) Stock cams capable of the same power on top. I can say even more after 6/5k even cosi m2 gives the same power on stock turbo and 98RON.
Hot side of stock 9 turbo is bottle neck here, not cams, at least on 98 RON.
What about the 3800 to 6500 gains? And what about the major difference in stock cams vs s1 over 6500rpm?

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3800 to 6500 - yes there is a gain. Over 6500 - and especially over 7k -no gains.
Check it out - figures are BHP on Dynodynamics, which reads at least 20hp lower than mustang dyno
1.3 bar 98 Ron 373bhp/470tq

1.7 bar 98 Ron 380bhp/550+ TQ

Even on these graphs clearly seen that stock turbo already on MAX after 6.5k
Btw this car had THE SAME power on cosi M2 cams after 6.5k.
I do not think S1 is more aggressive than M2.
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Originally Posted by evodomUA
3800 to 6500 - yes there is a gain. Over 6500 - and especially over 7k -no gains.
Check it out - figures are BHP on Dynodynamics, which reads at least 20hp lower than mustang dyno
1.3 bar 98 Ron 373bhp/470tq

1.7 bar 98 Ron 380bhp/550+ TQ

Even on these graphs clearly seen that stock turbo already on MAX after 6.5k
Btw this car had THE SAME power on cosi M2 cams after 6.5k.
I do not think S1 is more aggressive than M2.
If one would do cams to gain power over 7000, he wouldn't put S1.
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If you want to see gains over 6.5k to see difference in cams you should install smth bigger than stock turbo). Or go with meth or with race gas or with e85. On normal gasoline (91-93 i.e. 95-98RON) there is no sence to install cams on stock 9 turbo. However if you do the same on stock cams you will also have noticeable gains in power.
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^^ ZOMFG, I should put my stock cams back ASAP!!!1 )))))

Originally Posted by domyz
VIII have great gain from upgraded cams
I believe they forgot or misread that you have an VIII, and stock cams are too mild even for 9 turbo.

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Old Jan 4, 2013, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Biggy VIII
^^ ZOMFG, I should put my stock cams back ASAP!!!
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