Let's see your fully tuned timing maps
Dec 17, 2007, 06:57 AM
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im sure that is it....
i trademark all the tunes i do with a few different things. Most of the major tuners do that as well.
TTP uses a 69 in the lower corner
Topspeed makes the top line a colorful blend separated by a bunch of 14.7's before the lead in to boost.
Al uses 8's and 9's all over the place except he puts them in the map areas where tuning is important
i trademark all the tunes i do with a few different things. Most of the major tuners do that as well.
TTP uses a 69 in the lower corner
Topspeed makes the top line a colorful blend separated by a bunch of 14.7's before the lead in to boost.
Al uses 8's and 9's all over the place except he puts them in the map areas where tuning is important
Dec 21, 2007, 05:30 AM
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im sure that is it....
i trademark all the tunes i do with a few different things. Most of the major tuners do that as well.
TTP uses a 69 in the lower corner
Topspeed makes the top line a colorful blend separated by a bunch of 14.7's before the lead in to boost.
Al uses 8's and 9's all over the place except he puts them in the map areas where tuning is important
i trademark all the tunes i do with a few different things. Most of the major tuners do that as well.
TTP uses a 69 in the lower corner
Topspeed makes the top line a colorful blend separated by a bunch of 14.7's before the lead in to boost.
Al uses 8's and 9's all over the place except he puts them in the map areas where tuning is important
I am almost wondering if he did that on purpose, setting the timing usually more than what the car could handle so that the ECU will pull timing to get it at the correct level.
Its almost like he used the knock control to his advantage, set the timing higher than what the car could handle, use the knock control to let the ECU put the timing where it wanted/needed to be. If the timing was set to low, the ECU wouldn't up it to where it needed to be, and decrease performance.
With a timing map set to low, you would lose performance. With a timing map set to high, you would still gain performance, but the ECU is correcting it to "make it work", but it would still be faster than a timing map set to low.
Flawed logic? There is still no excuse for a fuel map like that. Highway robbery at it's best, literally and figuratively.
Dec 21, 2007, 06:49 AM
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it makes sense, but using knock to retard timing is just that... retarded 
spend the time and do your job title... Tune.
thats why i call myself an adjuster i tune a lot of people, but in the end, i call myself an adjuster
spend the time and do your job title... Tune.
thats why i call myself an adjuster
i tune a lot of people, but in the end, i call myself an adjuster
Dec 21, 2007, 07:24 AM
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I am almost wondering if he did that on purpose, setting the timing usually more than what the car could handle so that the ECU will pull timing to get it at the correct level.
Its almost like he used the knock control to his advantage, set the timing higher than what the car could handle, use the knock control to let the ECU put the timing where it wanted/needed to be. If the timing was set to low, the ECU wouldn't up it to where it needed to be, and decrease performance.
With a timing map set to low, you would lose performance. With a timing map set to high, you would still gain performance, but the ECU is correcting it to "make it work", but it would still be faster than a timing map set to low.
Flawed logic? There is still no excuse for a fuel map like that. Highway robbery at it's best, literally and figuratively.
Its almost like he used the knock control to his advantage, set the timing higher than what the car could handle, use the knock control to let the ECU put the timing where it wanted/needed to be. If the timing was set to low, the ECU wouldn't up it to where it needed to be, and decrease performance.
With a timing map set to low, you would lose performance. With a timing map set to high, you would still gain performance, but the ECU is correcting it to "make it work", but it would still be faster than a timing map set to low.
Flawed logic? There is still no excuse for a fuel map like that. Highway robbery at it's best, literally and figuratively.
Dec 21, 2007, 07:55 AM
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I don't feel good about forcing a car to eat knock and push through it. I prefer to shave off the excess timing so the ECU doesn't get involved in knock control so the car is much more consistent run to run.
Dec 21, 2007, 09:13 AM
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yeah I had quite a bit more in the post but took it out...sometimes I have to think twice about sharing techniques because there are some jerks on the forum that will twist your words into saying something completely different, next thing you know there's 5 other people hitting the punching bag with them. it's just not worth it sometimes.