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Old Apr 29, 2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
is the answer 7*?
Old Apr 29, 2008, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sub7
You got it right! I would start increasing my map timing if the logged number is higher (eg: if map is 10* while logged is 14*, I'll increase map to 14*), then smoothen the transition until I see knock and start retard if I detect knock.
No, using your example.

eg. if map is 10* while logged is 14* your tuning the wrong cell. Go find the 14 that it's reading from.

It does interpolate betwen cells though.
example

your map has the following timing.

2
5
6

and your log says 4.. it's between the 2 and the 5.

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Old Apr 29, 2008, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
is the answer 7*?
Nope! 77*
Old Apr 29, 2008, 05:07 PM
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Here's the best answer for you if you want to start tuning your car.

Originally Posted by 4WS Tuning
If youre looking to learn the basics, i can tune the car and explain what im doing map by map so you understand the basics of whats going on and why.

Shoot me a PM if you'd like more info.


Cheers!


Originally Posted by MR Turco
is the answer 7*?

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Old Apr 29, 2008, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by C6C6CH3vo
Just use whatever value makes the most torque without detonation for whatever octane, afr, or boost desired.

If using substandard fuel (i.e. 91 oct), it becomes a challenge beyond my knowledge, but others have mastered it. Just do a search, tons of good threads available on this

I am running 25.5 down to 21 at redline on 91oct. The timing sucks though, 0* at peak torque and about 7-9* at 7500 rpm. EGT's are pretty high too. I am retuning hopefully tommorrow to 23 psi tapering to 21 and see how it goes.
Old Apr 29, 2008, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cpoevo
I am running 25.5 down to 21 at redline on 91oct. The timing sucks though, 0* at peak torque and about 7-9* at 7500 rpm. EGT's are pretty high too. I am retuning hopefully tommorrow to 23 psi tapering to 21 and see how it goes.
Evo 8s do not like such retarded timing. You need to drop your boost and run 13* by redline and about 2-3* at peak. Set your AFR to 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. Run 22 psi of boost peakk and taper it to 19 psi by redline.

This is what works for me when I tune Evo 8s.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Evo 8s do not like such retarded timing. You need to drop your boost and run 13* by redline and about 2-3* at peak. Set your AFR to 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. Run 22 psi of boost peakk and taper it to 19 psi by redline.

This is what works for me when I tune Evo 8s.
Are you serious?? Or do you mean 10.9-10.8 in the actual map which does not reflect real AFR's via wideband?

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im sure he means on the ecu flash maps not in reality lol
Old Apr 29, 2008, 10:29 PM
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I sure hope so... I don't know about you but I would hate to wash cylinder walls...

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Originally Posted by Mr. Evo IX
No, using your example.

eg. if map is 10* while logged is 14* your tuning the wrong cell. Go find the 14 that it's reading from.

It does interpolate betwen cells though.
example

your map has the following timing.

2
5
6

and your log says 4.. it's between the 2 and the 5.
Thanks for the tip!
Old Apr 29, 2008, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked E
Are you serious?? Or do you mean 10.9-10.8 in the actual map which does not reflect real AFR's via wideband?

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When I say AFR I say ACTUAL AFR (logged with WBO2) and not target AFR. 10.9:1 on 91 octane is SOP with the Evo 8.
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Wow!!

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Old Apr 30, 2008, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Wicked E
I sure hope so... I don't know about you but I would hate to wash cylinder walls...

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I've never tuned on 91 octane so I wouldnt know for sure what AFR works best, but if 10.9 washed cylinder walls then there would be dead stock evo's lining the highways since they are 10's or richer from the factory. Not to mention the 100's of Dynoflash tuned Evo's that have super rich fueling.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
Evo 8s do not like such retarded timing. You need to drop your boost and run 13* by redline and about 2-3* at peak. Set your AFR to 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. Run 22 psi of boost peakk and taper it to 19 psi by redline.

This is what works for me when I tune Evo 8s.
This is still in testing. I was hitting 345whp 318 tq on this tune on a DJ, but the pulls were really inconsistent on the knock. The dyno room was also around 100* and the AIT was around 110*. If I run less boost and more timing I see more rounded power, ie 330hp 320tqover a broader band and it is more consistent. It is going back on the dyno hopefully today with some new cam settings and see what shell do on straight 91 before I add the H2O injection. I do not really recommend trying this unless you have all failsafes in place. I have my laptop hooked up with warnings and my Zeitronix to warn of high EGTs or hi boost with lean AFR.

I am shooting for 23 dropping to 21 or 20.5 at redline and see how the power is.
Old Apr 30, 2008, 08:11 AM
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so let me see if i understand this you are saying that 10.9 logged from a wbo2 is good for a tuned evo 8? if so i hope and pray you will never tune another evo. last time i checked the accepted and proven afr is 12.0 at spool and 11.5 to redline for maximum power. 10.9 idk wat to even say to that.


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