how-to: control closed loop AFR with your wideband O2 system
#77
hey I was trying to give this a shot and I am running into a problem. I made all the changes to my ROM def but when I open the map the Tephra mod section doesn't not appear to work.
If I click any of the tephra maps, the data in the maps just appear as all jumbled numbers.
For example the mod options box appears as all "65535"
Help??
If I click any of the tephra maps, the data in the maps just appear as all jumbled numbers.
For example the mod options box appears as all "65535"
Help??
If your just opening mrfreds rom it does not have the tephra patch, you just need to copy the info from his O2 patch tables into your tables in your own tephra rom.
#79
I seem to be having problems with this patch. I am using a ZT2
When I tried it the car would show a leaner and leaner AFR and then sometimes it would even stall.
When I try logging the AFR from the ZT2 through the ECU W/O this patch, it would idle and drive fine and show an afr of 14.7 - 15.1 or so. I might have a slight exhaust leak but it is only effecting the afr a very small amount.
Then when I switch to this patch, it shows very lean afr and then runs poorly.
Edit -
I just re-read this thread and saw another with my same problem. I am going to try and copy the map over one more time and triple check that everything is correct. Flash it again and hope it works. I'll report back.
When I tried it the car would show a leaner and leaner AFR and then sometimes it would even stall.
When I try logging the AFR from the ZT2 through the ECU W/O this patch, it would idle and drive fine and show an afr of 14.7 - 15.1 or so. I might have a slight exhaust leak but it is only effecting the afr a very small amount.
Then when I switch to this patch, it shows very lean afr and then runs poorly.
Edit -
I just re-read this thread and saw another with my same problem. I am going to try and copy the map over one more time and triple check that everything is correct. Flash it again and hope it works. I'll report back.
Last edited by dudical26; Nov 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM.
#80
I noticed that I already have 8409 in MUT 3C. I know MUT 12 is used for EGR temp by default (just by looking at evoscan). Not sure if this is a modification I made, or tephra made, but is there anything that needs to be done to get this working off of that address?
... if its too complicated and I should shut my yap and flip the two just let me know
... if its too complicated and I should shut my yap and flip the two just let me know
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I seem to be having problems with this patch. I am using a ZT2
When I tried it the car would show a leaner and leaner AFR and then sometimes it would even stall.
When I try logging the AFR from the ZT2 through the ECU W/O this patch, it would idle and drive fine and show an afr of 14.7 - 15.1 or so. I might have a slight exhaust leak but it is only effecting the afr a very small amount.
Then when I switch to this patch, it shows very lean afr and then runs poorly.
Edit -
I just re-read this thread and saw another with my same problem. I am going to try and copy the map over one more time and triple check that everything is correct. Flash it again and hope it works. I'll report back.
When I tried it the car would show a leaner and leaner AFR and then sometimes it would even stall.
When I try logging the AFR from the ZT2 through the ECU W/O this patch, it would idle and drive fine and show an afr of 14.7 - 15.1 or so. I might have a slight exhaust leak but it is only effecting the afr a very small amount.
Then when I switch to this patch, it shows very lean afr and then runs poorly.
Edit -
I just re-read this thread and saw another with my same problem. I am going to try and copy the map over one more time and triple check that everything is correct. Flash it again and hope it works. I'll report back.
I noticed that I already have 8409 in MUT 3C. I know MUT 12 is used for EGR temp by default (just by looking at evoscan). Not sure if this is a modification I made, or tephra made, but is there anything that needs to be done to get this working off of that address?
... if its too complicated and I should shut my yap and flip the two just let me know
... if its too complicated and I should shut my yap and flip the two just let me know
#83
FYI for anyone with an AEM wideband here is the equation and a chart:
http://thefrost.net/randomfiles/tuni...F+R_O2_Sim.xls
Base equation is 0.039137255*V+10
http://thefrost.net/randomfiles/tuni...F+R_O2_Sim.xls
Base equation is 0.039137255*V+10
Code:
mL 1/mL bL/mL 0.039137255 25.5511022 255.511022
I'm getting a horrible ground loop-ish noise though for no good reason. Going to look for a better power source and ground as well as trying to choke the power/ground (makes the noise regardless of the analog wire being in use or not), then go for a longer drive/comparison. I'm hoping the sensor isn't grounded on the exhaust causing the loop though
#84
mrfred,
Just need a quick clarification.
1. We just need to wire the rear O2 to the wideband output. Right?
2. Am I correct with the assumption that turning on the "wideband closed loop" will use the ADC value from the wideband (and your narrowband sim) for controlling closed loop and turning it off will use the front O2 signal?
3. If I want a richer idle and cruise, I can achieve that by changing the fuel map on the idle and cruise corresponding areas. Right?
I am sorry if this is redundant or obvious. Just want to verify that I understood correctly.
Just need a quick clarification.
1. We just need to wire the rear O2 to the wideband output. Right?
2. Am I correct with the assumption that turning on the "wideband closed loop" will use the ADC value from the wideband (and your narrowband sim) for controlling closed loop and turning it off will use the front O2 signal?
3. If I want a richer idle and cruise, I can achieve that by changing the fuel map on the idle and cruise corresponding areas. Right?
I am sorry if this is redundant or obvious. Just want to verify that I understood correctly.
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mrfred,
Just need a quick clarification.
1. We just need to wire the rear O2 to the wideband output. Right?
2. Am I correct with the assumption that turning on the "wideband closed loop" will use the ADC value from the wideband (and your narrowband sim) for controlling closed loop and turning it off will use the front O2 signal?
3. If I want a richer idle and cruise, I can achieve that by changing the fuel map on the idle and cruise corresponding areas. Right?
I am sorry if this is redundant or obvious. Just want to verify that I understood correctly.
Just need a quick clarification.
1. We just need to wire the rear O2 to the wideband output. Right?
2. Am I correct with the assumption that turning on the "wideband closed loop" will use the ADC value from the wideband (and your narrowband sim) for controlling closed loop and turning it off will use the front O2 signal?
3. If I want a richer idle and cruise, I can achieve that by changing the fuel map on the idle and cruise corresponding areas. Right?
I am sorry if this is redundant or obvious. Just want to verify that I understood correctly.
#88
I am using an LC-1, currently using the serial port to log in evoscan and one of the ouputs (forgot which one) with the 9-17 AFR resolution on my Blitz iColor. Do you recommend using a different ouput for the display and logging? Or... One can be used for both as they are displaying the same AFR resolution?
Also, I got to give you props on the clever way to control closed loop with the wideband and a sim in the code.
I have another N/A (Very high compression) car and I use the LC-1 Narrowband to control closed loop but to around 13.5-14 instead of 14.7 -15.2 because it was knocking like crazy on tip-in (even adjusting the percentage for that on the ECU). All I did was to simulate the 0.1 to 1 VDC on the LC-1 but to be sensitive at around ~13.2-14 instead of the original AFR range and to adjust the target volt for "stoich" on the ECU to fine tune it. Woks like a charm!
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Awesome work! I asked for clarification to see if it was as I thought. Too good to be true and it is true.
I am using an LC-1, currently using the serial port to log in evoscan and one of the ouputs (forgot which one) with the 9-17 AFR resolution on my Blitz iColor. Do you recommend using a different ouput for the display and logging? Or... One can be used for both as they are displaying the same AFR resolution?
Also, I got to give you props on the clever way to control closed loop with the wideband and a sim in the code.
I have another N/A (Very high compression) car and I use the LC-1 Narrowband to control closed loop but to around 13.5-14 instead of 14.7 -15.2 because it was knocking like crazy on tip-in (even adjusting the percentage for that on the ECU). All I did was to simulate the 0.1 to 1 VDC on the LC-1 but to be sensitive at around ~13.2-14 instead of the original AFR range and to adjust the target volt for "stoich" on the ECU to fine tune it. Woks like a charm!
I am using an LC-1, currently using the serial port to log in evoscan and one of the ouputs (forgot which one) with the 9-17 AFR resolution on my Blitz iColor. Do you recommend using a different ouput for the display and logging? Or... One can be used for both as they are displaying the same AFR resolution?
Also, I got to give you props on the clever way to control closed loop with the wideband and a sim in the code.
I have another N/A (Very high compression) car and I use the LC-1 Narrowband to control closed loop but to around 13.5-14 instead of 14.7 -15.2 because it was knocking like crazy on tip-in (even adjusting the percentage for that on the ECU). All I did was to simulate the 0.1 to 1 VDC on the LC-1 but to be sensitive at around ~13.2-14 instead of the original AFR range and to adjust the target volt for "stoich" on the ECU to fine tune it. Woks like a charm!