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Old Oct 22, 2008, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by evo828
what is the advantage of this g/s or lb/min values (through patching) vs the one that can be calculated in Evoscan through load etc?
My calculation is not an estimation. Its the real deal. Its like the difference between calculated load and 2-byte load.
Old Oct 23, 2008, 12:39 AM
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thanks.
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OK, I have edited and updated post #27 on the previous page after getting a few corrections from mrfred. So, those should be the good instructions for ROM 96940011. Hopefully, I will get to test this weekend or coming week to give the final OK.

Thanks goes to mrfred.


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Old Oct 23, 2008, 07:42 PM
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I applaud your genius, so you will make the stock ecu perform better stand-alones
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Originally Posted by mrfred
Here's a road dyno log showing airflow rate in lb/min along with whp, torque, boost, and AFR.

mrfred, did you log IATs in this data, also? I want to build a VE curve based off of your data for your car.

When I get a chance to log mine, I want to compare the VE curve from my VIII to your IX and see how much Mivec is affecting the curve.

Just eyeballing your data, I assumed an intake temp of 70*F and got about 95% VE at 5000 RPM and 89% VE at 7000 RPM, but I would need exact IATs to calculate better. If I remember correctly, you are still on the stock airbox, so your car would be a good candidate to build a VE table for the IX.


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Old Oct 28, 2008, 05:43 PM
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Hi mrfred!

Can I port this change on a tephra bin? I can not tell if this patch will have any interference with his modded bin.

Seems pretty cool to have this and the IAT patch together with the tephra mods.

Congrats on this findings!
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Originally Posted by joedr
Hi mrfred!

Can I port this change on a tephra bin? I can not tell if this patch will have any interference with his modded bin.

Seems pretty cool to have this and the IAT patch together with the tephra mods.

Congrats on this findings!
Yep, its compatible with a tephra ROM. Follow the instructions, and you'll be good to go.
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Thanks mrfred!

A lot of good mods have become available to the IX!
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Originally Posted by l2r99gst
mrfred, did you log IATs in this data, also? I want to build a VE curve based off of your data for your car.

When I get a chance to log mine, I want to compare the VE curve from my VIII to your IX and see how much Mivec is affecting the curve.

Just eyeballing your data, I assumed an intake temp of 70*F and got about 95% VE at 5000 RPM and 89% VE at 7000 RPM, but I would need exact IATs to calculate better. If I remember correctly, you are still on the stock airbox, so your car would be a good candidate to build a VE table for the IX.


Thanks,
Eric
Eric,

I try to get together a new plot with temp at the MAF and in the UICP.
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OK, I verified this today on my 96940011 ROM. It works as expected. I'm using LogWorks instead of EvoScan, and I need to nail down a few issues with that, but it seems to have worked fine.

I did three pulls in third gear. Two with my cutout closed and one open, to see the difference. I'm running moderate boost, only about 22 psi peak, tapering to about 20. Also, minimal mods (272/264 gsc and ebay cone filter). With my cutout closed I peaked at about 36 lb/min and with the cut-out open I peaked at about 39 lbs/min. Shows how restrictive the stock cat and cat-back are. That's roughly a 30 HP gain from bypassing the stock cat/cat-back.

Also, the 4000-7000 RPM times when from about 4.2s to about 3.4s closed/open. I know my car is pretty slow to begin with, since I haven't even had any time to really tune it yet and I have to fix a couple knock issues from various sources, but I just thought I would give some numbers to show the gains of an exhaust compared to stock.

I'll post up some LogWorks graphs later to show what I am referring to. Also, I will include maf intake temp and upper IC intake temp to show how the stock IC performs (or lock of performance).


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OK, here are the screenshots of the logs.

Cut-out open:


Comparison of cut-out open (solid lines) to cut-out closed (dotted lines):


With the cut-out open:
-spoolup is about 250-300 RPM quicker
-boost roughly averages about 0.4 psi greater
-AFR is about 0.5 points leaner in a few spots, most likely due to the fact that I am hitting cells that I haven't had a chance to tune yet
-mass airflow is about 3lbs/min greater (38.7 vs 36.0) at peak airflow
- 3900-6900 RPM is 3.44s vs 4.26s with cut-out closed (I know my car is slow...still need to tune it properly)

Other interesting facts for stock intercooler:
Ambient temps (around 50*F - forgot to look it up)
MAF temp beginning of pull to end - 58*F - 48*F (10*F drop)
Upper IC intake temp, beginning of pull to end - 65*F - 79*F (14*F rise, roughly 30*F above ambient)

Edit: Updated graphs. The original graphs had only the MSB of the 2-byte mass airflow graphed. I fixed that and reattached the new graphs.


Eric
Attached Thumbnails how-to: airflow rate in gm/s or lb/min and mpg-massairflow-cutoutopen.jpg   how-to: airflow rate in gm/s or lb/min and mpg-massairflow-cutout-open-closed.jpg  

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Old Nov 27, 2008, 08:14 PM
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Is the formula for MPG correct?

I am getting the following calculations and all are in the thousand area. I was expecting something between 5-40 range.

Any insight?

Data:

lbamin mpg
4.0092 1448.440259
5.06376 1138.105599
7.78752 1308.726067
10.7172 1272.52035
1.9344 5822.078539
1.85952 8075.366206
3.88752 4104.113684
5.304 3008.073912
6.24624 2704.561959
7.13856 2366.491714
8.38656 2126.24272
10.94184 2255.572958
13.01352 2020.452426
3.1824 7372.730176
2.01864 12553.01323
3.35712 7548.140857
7.53792 3361.672004
9.79992 2681.50492
12.92616 2652.394402
19.98048 1970.613692
27.78048 1637.439156
31.00344 1436.001874
33.8832 1513.039019
35.6616 1655.526242
37.128 1581.450623
39.17784 1703.076011
40.95936 1836.653904
41.60208 1788.187031
43.28376 1890.481109
44.18544 2008.550976
44.54736 1969.848093
4.31184 16651.06037
4.35552 16568.24378
3.52248 19716.33919
2.06232 33675.86528
1.90944 34406.07415
1.40712 46688.50861
Old Nov 28, 2008, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by joedr
Is the formula for MPG correct?

I am getting the following calculations and all are in the thousand area. I was expecting something between 5-40 range.

Any insight?

Data:
The mpg values should definitely be what you said. Mileage I record from the patch matches almost perfectly with what I see when I fill up. Sounds like something is wrong somewhere with the setup.
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mrfred,

Can you check my configuration?

Here is what it is on my rom:



Here are my data settings in Evoscan (BTW... AFRMAP stays at 128 always):



Is this correct?

Thanks in advanced!
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I see two problems in your EvoScan setup:

1) Wrong units for AFRMAP. Should be 128/x*14.7

2) Speed needs to be enabled and placed before the mileage calculation.

Makes those changes and let me know what happens with the mileage numbers.


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