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Old Nov 9, 2009, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jorge T
I've had the same 2k rpm cold start for ever, using 9417 rom, if I immediatly release the clutch in neutral rpm goes down to 1400rpm. Thinking the clutch switch [triggers a flag that] has something to do with the 2k rpm spikeat startup.
There is a Periphery for the clutch switch we all have set to 0. Maybe we need to set it to 1 and see if the issue goes away.
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I have been having the same 2k rev with both 9417 and 9653. As soon as the car gets up to temp it is gone.
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Originally Posted by Jorge T
I've had the same 2k rpm cold start for ever, using 9417 rom, if I immediatly release the clutch in neutral rpm goes down to 1400rpm. Thinking the clutch switch [triggers a flag that] has something to do with the 2k rpm spikeat startup.
This makes some sense to me. I had the 2k idle and it wouldnt go away until I switched roms but I dont have a clutch switch wired up either.
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The 2000rpm cold start is normal for me coming from 96940011, as soon as I let out the clutch it drops rather quick... BTW just installed my ID1000s today... good stuff!
Old Nov 10, 2009, 08:57 AM
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2K rev at cold idle.....

Is it EGR related ? ?

Is is Clutch Switch Related ? ?

I my car started it after I removed the EGR stuff and disabled the Peripherys.

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Old Nov 10, 2009, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
There is a Periphery for the clutch switch we all have set to 0. Maybe we need to set it to 1 and see if the issue goes away.
I tried that just now @ lunch time. dash gauge indicated cool/cold engine, flashed the change before starting, rpms went up to around 1700 and stayed put, I let it run for a few seconds, turned it off, disabled the bit, cranked the car back up, rpms went back up to 1700 and stayed there until I started up the datalogger and drove off.
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Cool beans....that rules out the clutch switch.

Guess it could be EGR related then.

Everyone who has the 2k rev at cold idle does not have the EGR hooked up and it is disabled in the peripheries ? ?
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Originally Posted by Appauldd
Guess it could be EGR related then.

Everyone who has the 2k rev at cold idle does not have the EGR hooked up and it is disabled in the peripheries ? ?
seems that way. I haven't removed or unplugged any of my egr solenoids and stuff, I might hook the vacuum lines up after work (weather permitting) and re-enable, see what happens.
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I have the 2k idle, too, and have all EGR stuff hooked up and I think even enabled (will have to check).

Maybe I am wrong, but I thought the 2k idle was due to the decreasing the limit of the cold start ingition retard. That is when mine started...when I changed the 100% limit in the 'low temp timing retard' or something similar to 50%. I just never had a chance to tune it out with ISCV tables or something else.

The confusing thing is that some other people said they cured it by making those tables 0, which is counter-intuitive to me.
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I, to my knowledge, have not set anything in 'low temp timing retard' or any map of such a name.


I *have* had warmup ignition retard turned off in the periphery (FAA bit..10 ) for probably over a year, and not had this particular issue that I can recall. Wonder if that has something to do with it, car drives like a bag of *** with it enabled though.
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Originally Posted by l2r99gst
I have the 2k idle, too, and have all EGR stuff hooked up and I think even enabled (will have to check).

Maybe I am wrong, but I thought the 2k idle was due to the decreasing the limit of the cold start ingition retard. That is when mine started...when I changed the 100% limit in the 'low temp timing retard' or something similar to 50%. I just never had a chance to tune it out with ISCV tables or something else.

The confusing thing is that some other people said they cured it by making those tables 0, which is counter-intuitive to me.
I have it and I have not messed with any of those tables. They remain stock.
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Originally Posted by linuxman51
I, to my knowledge, have not set anything in 'low temp timing retard' or any map of such a name.


I *have* had warmup ignition retard turned off in the periphery (FAA bit..10 ) for probably over a year, and not had this particular issue that I can recall. Wonder if that has something to do with it, car drives like a bag of *** with it enabled though.
Timing knockdown on light acceleration and less than 3000rpm is FAA bit 10

Disable EGR / Enable Ign Advance (set bit=1) is FAA bit 11

Both are set to = 0 for me.
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The fist time I saw it is when I changed that table. But with so many ROMs versions, v7, etc, I could be forgetting the correlation.
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Eric, the last time we compared setups, I had lean spool disabled and you didn't; I wonder if that's the difference here?

(For the record: I haven't had the "2k idle" since I made the changes I made in my previous post.)
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What about the "post primer enrich decay" tables and the "post primer enrich tables"?

I compared these from v7 and the 9417 series...there are significant differences.


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