PSI Based Boost issue...
#16
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Ok guys, I have located the issue, and added more WGDC. Here is the logs, and here is the settings:
Edit:These are the adjusted logs which I hit 23 on the dial today, when doing these pulls.
I am only seeing knock up in the high end, approx. 6K as it shows in the log.
But it doesn't make sense, the higher the rpm, the lower the load cells....?![Help Me](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/help.gif)
Edit:These are the adjusted logs which I hit 23 on the dial today, when doing these pulls.
I am only seeing knock up in the high end, approx. 6K as it shows in the log.
But it doesn't make sense, the higher the rpm, the lower the load cells....?
![Help Me](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/help.gif)
Also I noticed when I log, that sometimes, I pull a full 3rd gear to red line, but will only capture a few seconds of the readings.... Thought it was due to the wideband, but still I get issues in the log missing data that it should have captured. It as though EVOscan pauses for a second, like it is overloaded....just an observation.
Also my octane reading states 100 octane, I am on 91 from Chevron...no clue on this either.
Thanks guys
Thanks guys
Last edited by codgi; Oct 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM.
#17
This is the OctaneFlag parameter that you are looking at? That doesn't mean you are running 100 octane. I haven't logged that one in ages but from what I remember that basically is a counter that decrements the more knock the ECU sees. Once it gets low enough it forces the car into the low octane maps because it assumes that the problem is fuel.
So how do my settings look? Is my timing map good, or out there?
And I will strip down as many of the not needed's in logging. Get back to you guys 2morrow.
#19
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Ok guys, I have located the issue, and added more WGDC. Here is the logs, and here is the settings:
Edit:These are the adjusted logs which I hit 23 on the dial today, when doing these pulls.
I am only seeing knock up in the high end, approx. 6K as it shows in the log.
But it doesn't make sense, the higher the rpm, the lower the load cells....?![Help Me](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/help.gif)
Also I noticed when I log, that sometimes, I pull a full 3rd gear to red line, but will only capture a few seconds of the readings.... Thought it was due to the wideband, but still I get issues in the log missing data that it should have captured. It as though EVOscan pauses for a second, like it is overloaded....just an observation. Also my octane reading states 100 octane, I am on 91 from Chevron...no clue on this either.
Thanks guys
Edit:These are the adjusted logs which I hit 23 on the dial today, when doing these pulls.
I am only seeing knock up in the high end, approx. 6K as it shows in the log.
But it doesn't make sense, the higher the rpm, the lower the load cells....?
![Help Me](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/help.gif)
Also I noticed when I log, that sometimes, I pull a full 3rd gear to red line, but will only capture a few seconds of the readings.... Thought it was due to the wideband, but still I get issues in the log missing data that it should have captured. It as though EVOscan pauses for a second, like it is overloaded....just an observation. Also my octane reading states 100 octane, I am on 91 from Chevron...no clue on this either.
Thanks guys
#20
That timing graph looks quite interesting. Could I see a snapshot of the entire timing map along with the graph
You've added WGDC% to make it SPIKE to 23, but not hold. Look at the boost error. The ECU is still lowering WGDC% to lower the boost to ~21, which is what is defined in your maps. If you increase the desired boost values, you will hold your desired boost because the ECU won't pull WGDC% due to overboost.
Tonight while driving freeway 180miles round trip, I am in my low boost table, as well as low timing table. I did a 3k elevation run earlier today up Big Cottonwood Canyon, and after coming back down, have found myself in the low boost area, tops out at 19...?
The timing map I did after finding knock for two months, this seems to give me only 1-2 counts approx. over 45 minutes of driving time. So I think I am in the sweetspot, I put down just a little over 300HP by converter you gave us their Jack.
Here is the full graphs, i thought for a sweet toon, make all the slopes between the boost map, fuel map, etc, they should all slope the same...?
My creative mind at work. I could really use the full help. My tuner won't answer my calls, never completed the tune, so I have been doing it on my own via reading this forum verbatum on some of the tuning...
Thanks again in advance
EDIT: Can someone explain the High gear boost & wastegate, and the Low Gear Boost & Wastegate?
I don't understand the deffinition? I know the ECU switches between these when knock is aquired. But there also is the gear based stock system that MFRED piointed out. I still have all my stock tables in play in my ROMID.xml. Could I be getting conflicting settings due to the stock deff's and the mod deff's? I know I preached about having multiple code in the ROMID.xmls causing this sort of thing before, but I feel my interpretation was way off. School me fella's, please.
It would seem that low gear would be 1st ~2nd, and high gear would be 3~5th...
Last edited by Raceghost; Oct 16, 2009 at 08:49 PM.
#22
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Usually the timing map isn't so straight and 'linear'. This has to do with the VE of the engine and how it will allow more/less timing in a non-linear fashion. Usually, I tune the curve for 3rd gear, then gradually (in a sloping motion) have the timing go from the low load/closed loop areas down to the 'tuned' areas.
Look at this thread to see how some peoples 'smoothed out' and tuned maps appear to give you an idea. Jumperalex created an excel spreadsheet that helps 'auto-smooth' the maps out a bit for you HERE
Look at this thread to see how some peoples 'smoothed out' and tuned maps appear to give you an idea. Jumperalex created an excel spreadsheet that helps 'auto-smooth' the maps out a bit for you HERE
#23
Usually the timing map isn't so straight and 'linear'. This has to do with the VE of the engine and how it will allow more/less timing in a non-linear fashion. Usually, I tune the curve for 3rd gear, then gradually (in a sloping motion) have the timing go from the low load/closed loop areas down to the 'tuned' areas.
Thanks again.
#24
I think I realized what was going on today. When I started out, I was in my HIGH maps. I saw a 26psi on the dial while doing 3rd gear pull, no I didn't log it, for I wasn't thinking it could be what I am concidering. I have my Boost limit set to 26psi. SO when I saw the 26, it decided to switch to LOW map. I took a peak at my boost limit, and sur'n'uff it is set to 26 and the high 25's tapering with the baseline boost.
So question, how high above my boost curve should the boost limit be set?
Thanks in advance.
So question, how high above my boost curve should the boost limit be set?
Thanks in advance.
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