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Old Jul 22, 2010, 02:51 PM
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Help needed to scale Apexi map sensor

Hi guys

I have just fitted an Apexi map sensor (3bar) to my Evo 8 and wired it via ecu

Can any 1 help with the correct scaling for evoscan?

My atm is 14.5 psi

It is reading and working in evoscan, just not right, i am reading near 3 psi with key on and engine not running! Reads about 3 -4 psi out compared to my Gizzmo msibc, so the scaling is wrong

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 03:59 PM
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Need more info than just the name.

Sounds like its pretty close to a JDM sensor but we need real data.

If you can find the specs for if 0v is 0bar and 5v is 3bar then an equation would be easy to create.
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I just bought one to replace the one for the AVC-R. Here is what the seller posted:

APEXi 3.5 BAR MAP SENSOR


Could be a good starting point.

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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
Need more info than just the name.

Sounds like its pretty close to a JDM sensor but we need real data.

If you can find the specs for if 0v is 0bar and 5v is 3bar then an equation would be easy to create.
With key in the on position it is 2V and gives a raw value of 101 via evoscan (so at 14.6 psi my atmospheric pressure it is 2V 0r 101 raw value) I dont have a mitevac to pressure rise it though

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by evoredy
I just bought one to replace the one for the AVC-R. Here is what the seller posted:

APEXi 3.5 BAR MAP SENSOR


Could be a good starting point.
Excellent

PSI = 0.8531 * x - -79.77
KPA = 5.8824 * x - -450

Scaling for SD
PHP Code:
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Apexi3barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.0354" frexpr="(x/0.0354)+128" format="%.1f" min="-15" max="15" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="PSIa16 Apexi3barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.1418-4.53" frexpr="(x+4.53)/0.1418" format="%.1f" min="0" max="32" inc="0.2" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="PSIa8 Apexi3barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.1418-4.53" frexpr="(x+4.53)/0.1418" format="%.1f" min="0" max="32" inc="0.2" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="kPa Apexi3barMAP" units="kPa" toexpr="x*0.4888-150" frexpr="(x+150)/0.4888" format="%.1f" min="0" max="350" inc="0.4888" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> 
Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by philr8
With key in the on position it is 2V and gives a raw value of 101 via evoscan (so at 14.6 psi my atmospheric pressure it is 2V 0r 101 raw value) I dont have a mitevac to pressure rise it though

Phil
Hmm if thats true than what evoredy posted wont math out correctly
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
Excellent

PSI = 0.8531 * x - -79.77
KPA = 5.8824 * x - -450

Scaling for SD
PHP Code:
    <scaling name="BoostErrorPsi Apexi3barMAP" units="psi" toexpr="(x-128)*0.0354" frexpr="(x/0.0354)+128" format="%.1f" min="-15" max="15" inc="0.1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="PSIa16 Apexi3barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.1418-4.53" frexpr="(x+4.53)/0.1418" format="%.1f" min="0" max="32" inc="0.2" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="PSIa8 Apexi3barMAP" units="PSIa" toexpr="x*0.1418-4.53" frexpr="(x+4.53)/0.1418" format="%.1f" min="0" max="32" inc="0.2" storagetype="uint8" endian="big"/>
    <
scaling name="kPa Apexi3barMAP" units="kPa" toexpr="x*0.4888-150" frexpr="(x+150)/0.4888" format="%.1f" min="0" max="350" inc="0.4888" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> 
does that apply for the 3 bar or 3.5bar map sensor, as graph above is for a 3.5bar
Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by philr8
does that apply for the 3 bar or 3.5bar map sensor, as graph above is for a 3.5bar
That was for the 3 bar sensor with the same voltage scale but it doesn't work out for you if 2volts is 1 bar. So without a voltage map we are still lost :P

Feel free to use my scaling chart when you determine the min and max voltages.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...ling-chart.zip
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Originally Posted by RoadSpike
That was for the 3 bar sensor with the same voltage scale but it doesn't work out for you if 2volts is 1 bar. So without a voltage map we are still lost :P

Feel free to use my scaling chart when you determine the min and max voltages.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...ling-chart.zip
says the file is corrupt
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Originally Posted by philr8
says the file is corrupt
Interesting I just opened it and it was fine what office do you use?
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Originally Posted by roadspike
interesting i just opened it and it was fine what office do you use?
2007
Old Jul 22, 2010, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by philr8
2007
I'll have to try that from work then i only use open office
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Sorry the graph didnt work out, but with some googling i found this:

SiGmA10-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Okay I pulled my AVCR out today to sell it (Anyone want to buy it? ) and took readings for you. I am listing both the measurement from my gauge, as well the as AVCR's reading, and voltage as measured with my Fluke.

20 inHg / -533 mmHg / 0.80v
0 inHg / -20 mmHg / 1.50v
5 psi / 0.30 KgCM^2 / 1.82v
10 psi / 0.65 KgCM^2 / 2.17v
15 psi / 1.02 KgCM^2 / 2.54v
20 psi / 1.40 KgCM^2 / 2.91v

I hope that helps Collin.

Oh, and does anyone want to buy my AVCR?
original link: []forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332063

I'll stop trolling now lol. Good luck.

EDIT: CRAP! lol it matches my graph! trial and error time.

EDIT2: just bracket the whole equation and subtract 3 heh. j/k. there's a scaling in the bimmer forum. try that. it seemed ok.

me and my edits:

EDIT3: try 0.14455*x-14.5. if that doesn't get you close, the apexi sensor is out of spec or you must compensate for the how the ecu is reading it (the extra .5v that you get). sorry for the late reply. Good Luck!

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Old Jul 23, 2010, 11:23 AM
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Tried my excel sheet from work today with 2007 and it worked fine not sure whats up with your version.

Resaved it for those 2007 users.
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update

Formula that works for me is

0.1922 * x - 19.6
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