ethan169

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OK so Ive been playing with my tune for a while now. I have had a few "pro tunes" and ive changed some parts since the last one so I need to retune. I was very unsatisfied with my last pro tune and am having a hard time ponying up cash to pay for another one. (Side note the Tune I got from Chris@Mellon tuning was awesome and the only reason i didnt go back is because i wanted to try a dyno tune and I am not local to Chris)

So the last couple of weeks ive been giving my tune another go. I have several problems.

First being that EvoScan is logging with very low resolution. Sometimes it wont even log the good stuff. Meaning the logger is running up to 3500rpm @100tps and then cuts out till 5000 @100tps. I have had this same problem on several different computers that i have tried useing for logging. All Xp machines and I tried Vista once.

One example

LogEntryTime	LogEntrySeconds	TPS	RPMMUT2Byte	TimingAdv	LoadMUT2Byte	WideBandAF	JDMMAP	KnockSum	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle
26:23.6	16.26855	13.7254902	2468.75	20	16.875	13.9062	-9.46978	0	0	0
26:24.0	16.64364	61.17647059	2437.5	19	93.125	14.553	0.39719	0	5.888	12.57333333
26:24.4	17.01551	100	2601.5625	17	107.5	15.0822	2.13842	0	7.424	16.43333333
26:24.7	17.38153	100	2750	13	130	12.2745	4.46006	0	8.704	19.94666667
26:25.1	17.76729	99.21568627	2906.25	10	160.625	12.789	8.13599	0	12.288	29.76
26:25.5	18.14886	98.03921569	3121.09375	4	202.5	12.495	13.35968	2	15.616	40.66666667
26:25.9	18.53052	97.25490196	3402.34375	5	232.5	11.8188	19.16378	2	18.176	52.06666667
26:26.2	18.90255	96.8627451	3742.1875	5	225.3125	11.3043	19.16378	1	17.664	55.66
26:26.6	19.27947	96.8627451	4062.5	6	225.3125	11.6424	18.97031	3	17.664	60.26
26:27.0	19.65179	96.8627451	4394.53125	6	229.375	11.6277	19.93766	2	18.176	67.21333333
26:27.4	20.0235	96.07843137	4714.84375	6	233.4375	11.4513	19.74419	2	18.432	72.48
26:27.7	20.39553	92.94117647	5019.53125	5	236.5625	11.4513	18.77684	1	18.688	78.84
26:28.1	20.77049	91.37254902	5343.75	7	238.125	11.3631	18.77684	1	18.688	83.70666667
26:28.5	21.14749	90.58823529	5664.0625	7	236.875	11.2308	18.58337	0	17.92	84.93333333
26:28.9	21.51353	89.41176471	5953.125	8	235	11.3778	19.16378	0	17.152	85.31333333
26:29.2	21.88048	89.41176471	6250	9	231.25	11.76	18.97031	0	16.64	87.1
26:29.6	22.25446	88.62745098	6527.34375	8	226.5625	11.9658	19.16378	1	16.384	89.6
26:30.0	22.6267	88.23529412	6792.96875	11	219.375	11.7894	18.77684	1	15.872	90.10666667
26:30.3	22.99947	88.62745098	7027.34375	13	213.125	11.6571	17.61602	0	16.128	94.92
26:30.7	23.3968	16.47058824	6562.5	38	12.8125	11.4072	-11.40448	0	1.28	6.933333333
26:31.1	23.78872	14.11764706	5660.15625	38	8.75	13.5534	-11.79142	0	1.28	5.966666667
26:31.5	24.16546	14.11764706	4894.53125	27	7.1875	15.3027	-11.40448	0	0	0
26:31.9	24.54301	14.11764706	3804.6875	23	15	15.0234	-10.05019	0	0	0
26:32.2	24.91442	14.11764706	3460.9375	23	16.25	13.7886	-10.05019	0	0	0

What is shown here is all I am logging so I cant imagine that the low resolutions is from me logging to many items.

Ive posted the timing and fuel maps that were used for this log below. I know the 6k+ area is almost 1 full point leaner and I need to fix that. I apparently was spacing out when I converted my standard maps to tephras v7 big maps.



The log below is actually taken before the log posted above. Sorry for posting these backwards. Its late and im tired/frustrated. Timing and Fuel maps posted after

LogEntryTime	LogEntrySeconds	TPS	RPMMUT2Byte	TimingAdv	LoadMUT2Byte	WideBandAF	JDMMAP	KnockSum	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle
13:35.7	0.09447	25.49019608	2406.25	31	41.5625	0	-5.40691	0	2.56	5.133333333
13:36.1	0.47291	26.66666667	2406.25	30	46.5625	14.8617	-4.63303	0	2.816	5.646666667
13:36.5	0.85995	27.45098039	2441.40625	29	49.375	14.6412	-3.85915	0	3.072	6.24
13:36.9	1.24719	28.23529412	2468.75	30	54.6875	14.5236	-3.47221	0	3.328	6.933333333
13:37.3	1.63192	29.41176471	2527.34375	29	58.75	14.5089	-2.31139	0	3.584	7.56
13:37.7	2.00493	31.37254902	2570.3125	29	66.25	14.4648	-1.92445	0	3.84	8.3
13:38.0	2.37988	30.98039216	2640.625	31	60.625	14.5236	-2.31139	0	3.584	7.933333333
13:38.4	2.75688	28.62745098	2679.6875	32	53.75	14.5236	-3.08527	0	3.072	6.88
13:38.8	3.12895	23.52941176	2656.25	35	41.25	14.4354	-7.72855	0	1.28	2.833333333
13:39.2	3.50114	13.7254902	2636.71875	25	21.5625	14.3913	-9.66325	0	0	0
13:39.5	3.87784	13.7254902	2628.90625	19	14.375	14.4501	-9.66325	0	0	0
13:39.9	4.26217	13.7254902	2570.3125	34	36.25	13.7298	-6.56773	0	4.608	10.2
13:40.3	4.65519	92.54901961	2574.21875	17	106.5625	19.3893	1.94495	0	7.424	16.43333333
13:40.7	5.05686	100	2855.46875	12	133.4375	12.3627	4.847	0	9.216	22.32
13:41.1	5.43391	100	3050.78125	9	172.8125	12.7302	10.07069	0	13.312	33.97333333
13:41.5	5.81083	99.60784314	3289.0625	5	232.8125	12.0981	17.61602	0	18.944	52.29333333
13:41.8	6.18283	98.43137255	3652.34375	3	254.0625	11.3631	22.83971	4	20.48	62.93333333
13:42.2	6.54888	98.03921569	4046.875	3	248.125	11.2749	22.2593	6	20.224	68.46666667
13:42.6	6.92083	93.33333333	4410.15625	3	249.375	11.6277	22.45277	5	20.224	74.78666667
13:43.0	7.29585	92.54901961	4773.4375	3	255.625	11.613	23.03318	5	20.992	84.18666667
13:43.3	7.66784	89.41176471	5128.90625	4	257.1875	11.3631	22.06583	4	20.736	89.64
13:43.7	8.04014	79.60784314	5484.375	4	254.0625	11.2602	21.87236	4	20.224	92.69333333
13:44.1	8.41679	72.15686275	5820.3125	5	248.4375	11.1867	20.90501	3	18.688	91.49333333
13:44.5	8.79875	87.05882353	6183.59375	6	243.4375	11.6424	20.90501	3	17.92	92.4
13:44.8	9.18079	96.8627451	6488.28125	8	235.625	11.7306	20.3246	2	17.408	94.74666667
13:45.2	9.55779	97.64705882	6773.4375	10	223.75	11.7747	17.80949	2	1.28	7.233333333
13:45.6	9.93177	14.11764706	5812.5	38	14.6875	11.0838	-11.40448	0	1.28	6.133333333
13:46.0	10.32927	14.11764706	4968.75	38	8.4375	14.7	-11.40448	0	1.28	5.2
13:46.4	10.72076	14.11764706	4195.3125	22	9.0625	15.0234	-10.82407	0	0	0
13:46.7	11.09775	14.11764706	3398.4375	22	15.625	15.0528	-10.43713	0	0	0
13:47.1	11.46976	14.11764706	3378.90625	23	15.9375	20.6388	-10.24366	0	0	0
13:47.5	11.84875	14.11764706	3335.9375	23	15.9375	0	-10.24366	0	0	0

You can see that I tried retarding the timing at around 3k-4k 100-200load a degree or two to help reduce any knock. Would this be considered tip in knock? Also I started out at 22psi and then ran the second try with less boost (around 18-19psi)

A little info about the car.

2003 VIII
GSC S2's with beehive springs
Buchur racing TBE with test pipe
Open element filter with MAF adapter (stock intake tube)
ETS V2 LICP
IX turbo with ceramic coated Megan SS O2 housing
Hallman MBC

This post seems to be unorganized at best and I appologize for that. I guess im just frustrated that I cant seem to get the knock under control so I can dial in my fuel perfectly then start tuning the timing. On top of this Im surprised that im maxing out the stock injectors so easily. When i first put the IX turbo on i was at about 25psi and 95-100+IDC Not good im assuming. Thats why I started to turn the boost down and see what i could do.

Constructive criticism or suggestions etc are welcomed!

Thanks,

Ethan

ziad

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how many items are u logging... in evoscan just log the bare minimum (under 10 at the max) otherwise it does not have very good resolution. from the above why arent u using 1byte load and normal rpm... usign the two byte equvalents has u wasting 2 requests each sample for no benefit.

nonschlont

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[QUOTE=ziad;8893534]how many items are u logging... in evoscan just log the bare minimum (under 10 at the max) otherwise it does not have very good resolution. from the above why arent u using 1byte load and normal rpm... usign the two byte equvalents has u wasting 2 requests each sample for no benefit.[/QUOTE]

unless ur running ur rom on temp + baro compensated load. but hes right. enable logger superspeed, disable logging to screen, disable multi-threading, disable dashboard flashing lights as well as keep it under 10 items, as ziad mentioned. and 2byte rpm does nothing but waste a byte as ziad mentioned.

ziad

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ahh yeah i forget i run on temp+baro compensated load as i run dma... dont have this issue there... log almost as much as i want

ethan169

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I guess I was under the impression that the 2byte equivalents were more accurate?I do realize that instead of taking up 1byte each they are now taking up 2 but when logging so few items it wasnt a big deal. About a year or two ago when I was previously playing with my tune I dont think this 2byte to 1 byte load was available. I do have the tephra V7 installed and am using Evoscan. So I just need to make sure the load factors are the same and just log 1 byte load is this correct?

Also has it been decided that the standard RPM is fine to use for tuning? The 2byteRPM is no longer worthwhile?

I will check the logger super speed and what is multi-threading? I guess i can turn off logging to screen but i didnt think it would slow it down that much. I was also running a AFR gauge so the passenger could keep an eye on my AFR. I do have m CEL knock light enabled so I guess I could just monitor that....

Anymore information on this temp+baro compensated load? Is this for use with speed density? Ill have to do some research on this...

Thanks, Ethan

Raptord

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Logging to screen slows down the logger a LOT. Definitely turn that off for better resolution. And yes, just use 1 byte load.

ethan169

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Good to know. I will try again this afternoon with all of those features disabled.

Side question. How do people properly setup low octane maps? All these changes are made to the high octane but when are changes made to the low octane?

Ill report back with some more results and hopefully i can get my afr in check and knock under control. Im still debating weather or not some of it is real knock or not...

ethan169

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Ok so i disabled all of the uneeded extras as you guys had mentioned. The logged data now has a whole lot more resolution.

For some reason my LC-1 has devoloped a weird problem during logging. It is only giving what seems to be a correct reading about 5 times a second where im getting 25 lines of logged data a second. Ive posted a portion of the log that shows this below.

LogEntrySeconds	TPS	RPM	TimingAdv	Load1B	KnockSum	WideBandAF	JDMMAP	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle
10.48614	91.76470588	2687.5	18	105.6	0	14.994	1.75148	7.424	16.62666667
10.52575	99.60784314	2687.5	18	105.6	0	15.2733	1.94495	7.68	17.4
10.56919	100	2718.75	17	108	0	14.994	2.52536	7.936	18.39333333
10.61376	100	2781.25	15	111.6	0	14.994	2.52536	8.192	18.98666667
10.65376	100	2781.25	14	115.2	1	14.994	3.10577	7.68	17.8
10.69576	100	2750	11	117.6	1	12.495	3.49271	7.936	18.18666667
10.73575	100	2750	10	120	1	14.994	3.68618	8.448	19.58
10.77774	100	2781.25	10	123.6	1	14.994	4.07312	8.704	20.4
10.81781	100	2812.5	10	128.4	1	14.994	4.847	8.96	21.23333333
10.85768	100	2843.75	9	132	1	11.8776	5.04047	9.472	22.69333333
11.0857	100	2875	9	136.8	1	14.994	5.62088	10.24	24.8
11.24046	100	2968.75	7	177.6	1	12.642	11.03804	14.336	36.21333333
11.28544	100	3062.5	5	186	1	14.994	11.81192	15.104	38.54666667
11.32743	100	3062.5	4	190.8	1	14.994	12.39233	15.616	40.66666667
11.37041	100	3125	3	196.8	1	14.994	13.35968	15.872	41.33333333
11.41544	100	3125	3	205.2	1	11.7306	14.13356	16.64	43.76666667
11.45744	100	3156.25	3	212.4	1	14.994	15.48785	17.408	46.69333333

See how it just shows that 14.994 value? Anyone know why this is happening?


Heres my real problem. I am getting very inconsistant results with knock. Ive tried to eliminate by dialing in my fuel and bringing back timing quite a bit in areas where ive seen knock. One run i will get no knock or just a small group of 1 counts and then another run i will get upto 15 counts of knock. Ill post two logs taken 3 min apart from each other with no changes to the tune.


Virtually knock free run

LogEntrySeconds	TPS	RPM	TimingAdv	Load1B	KnockSum	WideBandAF	JDMMAP	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle
10.48614	91.76470588	2687.5	18	105.6	0	14.994	1.75148	7.424	16.62666667
10.52575	99.60784314	2687.5	18	105.6	0	15.2733	1.94495	7.68	17.4
10.56919	100	2718.75	17	108	0	14.994	2.52536	7.936	18.39333333
10.61376	100	2781.25	15	111.6	0	14.994	2.52536	8.192	18.98666667
10.65376	100	2781.25	14	115.2	1	14.994	3.10577	7.68	17.8
10.69576	100	2750	11	117.6	1	12.495	3.49271	7.936	18.18666667
10.73575	100	2750	10	120	1	14.994	3.68618	8.448	19.58
10.77774	100	2781.25	10	123.6	1	14.994	4.07312	8.704	20.4
10.81781	100	2812.5	10	128.4	1	14.994	4.847	8.96	21.23333333
10.85768	100	2843.75	9	132	1	11.8776	5.04047	9.472	22.69333333
11.0857	100	2875	9	136.8	1	14.994	5.62088	10.24	24.8
11.24046	100	2968.75	7	177.6	1	12.642	11.03804	14.336	36.21333333
11.28544	100	3062.5	5	186	1	14.994	11.81192	15.104	38.54666667
11.32743	100	3062.5	4	190.8	1	14.994	12.39233	15.616	40.66666667
11.37041	100	3125	3	196.8	1	14.994	13.35968	15.872	41.33333333
11.41544	100	3125	3	205.2	1	11.7306	14.13356	16.64	43.76666667
11.45744	100	3156.25	3	212.4	1	14.994	15.48785	17.408	46.69333333
11.49944	100	3218.75	2	218.4	1	14.994	16.64867	17.92	48.06666667
11.54241	100	3218.75	2	225.6	1	14.994	17.03561	18.688	50.61333333
11.58445	100	3281.25	2	230.4	1	11.5395	18.19643	18.944	52.29333333
11.62739	100	3312.5	2	235.2	1	14.994	18.77684	19.2	53.5
11.6674	100	3343.75	2	235.2	1	14.994	19.55072	19.456	54.21333333
11.7126	99.60784314	3375	2	236.4	1	14.994	19.93766	19.2	54.5
11.75426	99.60784314	3437.5	2	232.8	1	11.2014	20.13113	18.944	54.76
11.79442	99.60784314	3468.75	3	230.4	1	14.994	19.55072	18.432	53.76
11.83671	98.82352941	3500	4	228	0	14.994	19.93766	18.432	53.76
11.87693	98.43137255	3500	4	226.8	0	14.994	20.3246	18.432	54.24
11.91977	98.03921569	3562.5	4	225.6	0	11.172	19.35725	18.176	54.43333333
11.96113	98.03921569	3593.75	4	225.6	0	14.994	19.35725	18.176	55.38
12.00666	98.03921569	3656.25	4	225.6	0	14.994	19.55072	18.176	55.85333333
12.0459	97.64705882	3687.5	4	225.6	0	14.994	20.13113	18.176	55.85333333
12.08572	97.25490196	3718.75	5	223.2	0	11.76	20.3246	18.176	56.8
12.12614	97.25490196	3781.25	5	222	0	14.994	19.93766	17.92	56.93333333
12.16874	97.25490196	3812.5	5	223.2	0	14.994	19.74419	17.92	57.4
12.2092	97.25490196	3843.75	5	223.2	0	14.994	19.55072	18.176	58.22
12.26885	97.25490196	3875	5	224.4	0	11.7012	19.74419	18.432	60.48
12.31074	97.64705882	3937.5	5	225.6	0	14.994	19.74419	18.176	60.11333333
12.35073	97.64705882	3968.75	5	225.6	0	14.994	20.71154	18.176	60.11333333
12.39375	97.64705882	3968.75	5	226.8	0	11.7747	20.3246	18.432	61.44
12.43372	97.64705882	4031.25	5	225.6	0	14.994	19.93766	18.432	62.4
12.47599	97.64705882	4093.75	5	226.8	0	14.994	20.3246	18.432	63.36
12.51775	98.03921569	4125	5	226.8	0	14.994	20.51807	18.432	63.84
12.55773	98.03921569	4156.25	5	228	0	11.6865	20.13113	18.432	64.32
12.60073	98.03921569	4187.5	5	228	0	14.994	20.3246	18.688	65.7
12.64115	98.03921569	4218.75	5	229.2	0	14.994	19.93766	18.688	66.67333333
12.68079	98.03921569	4281.25	5	230.4	0	14.994	20.3246	18.688	67.16
12.72281	98.03921569	4312.5	5	229.2	0	11.7012	20.13113	18.944	68.57333333
12.76277	98.03921569	4343.75	5	230.4	0	14.994	20.71154	18.944	69.06666667
12.80575	98.03921569	4375	5	230.4	0	14.994	20.13113	18.944	69.56
12.84577	98.03921569	4406.25	5	231.6	0	14.994	20.3246	19.2	71
12.88486	98.03921569	4468.75	5	232.8	0	11.6865	20.13113	19.2	72
12.92776	98.03921569	4500	5	234	0	14.994	20.71154	19.456	73.46666667
12.96779	98.03921569	4531.25	5	235.2	0	14.994	20.90501	19.2	72.5
13.00974	97.64705882	4562.5	4	235.2	0	14.994	20.51807	19.456	74.48
13.04973	98.03921569	4625	4	235.2	0	11.5101	20.71154	19.2	74.5
13.08974	98.03921569	4687.5	5	236.4	0	14.994	20.3246	19.456	76
13.13474	98.03921569	4687.5	4	237.6	0	14.994	20.90501	19.456	76.50666667
13.17472	97.64705882	4718.75	4	237.6	0	14.994	20.71154	19.456	77.52
13.21775	98.03921569	4781.25	4	236.4	0	11.5542	20.51807	19.456	78.02666667
13.25786	97.64705882	4843.75	4	237.6	0	14.994	20.51807	19.456	78.53333333
13.29674	97.64705882	4843.75	4	237.6	0	14.994	21.09848	19.456	78.53333333
13.33974	97.64705882	4875	4	240	0	14.994	20.51807	19.712	81.10666667
13.37965	97.64705882	4937.5	4	240	0	11.5689	21.29195	19.456	80.56
13.42177	97.64705882	5000	4	240	0	14.994	20.3246	19.712	82.13333333
13.46167	97.64705882	5000	4	241.2	0	14.994	20.71154	19.968	83.2
13.50172	97.25490196	5031.25	4	242.4	0	14.994	21.48542	19.968	84.24
13.54676	97.25490196	5062.5	4	243.6	0	11.5983	20.71154	20.224	86.37333333
13.58669	97.25490196	5156.25	5	244.8	0	14.994	20.90501	20.224	87.42666667
13.62976	97.25490196	5187.5	5	244.8	0	14.994	20.71154	19.968	86.32
13.67173	97.25490196	5187.5	5	246	0	14.994	21.09848	19.968	86.84
13.71167	96.8627451	5218.75	5	246	0	11.4219	21.67889	20.224	89.00666667
13.75371	96.8627451	5281.25	5	246	0	14.994	21.29195	20.224	89.53333333
13.79369	96.47058824	5343.75	6	246	0	14.994	20.90501	20.224	90.06
13.83668	96.07843137	5343.75	6	247.2	0	14.994	21.29195	20.224	90.58666667
13.87871	95.68627451	5375	6	247.2	0	11.3484	21.09848	19.968	90.48
13.91874	95.68627451	5437.5	6	246	0	14.994	21.09848	19.968	91.52
13.96374	95.68627451	5500	7	246	1	14.994	21.48542	19.968	92.04
14.00365	95.29411765	5531.25	7	246	1	14.994	21.67889	19.968	92.56
14.04673	93.33333333	5562.5	7	246	1	11.3337	21.29195	19.968	93.08
14.08895	92.15686275	5593.75	7	246	1	14.994	21.87236	19.712	92.4
14.12871	92.15686275	5625	7	246	1	14.994	21.09848	19.712	93.42666667
14.17094	92.94117647	5687.5	7	244.8	1	14.994	22.06583	19.456	93.22666667
14.21073	93.7254902	5750	7	243.6	0	11.3337	21.29195	19.456	93.73333333
14.253	93.7254902	5781.25	7	244.8	0	14.994	21.09848	19.456	93.73333333
14.29579	93.33333333	5812.5	7	244.8	0	14.994	21.67889	19.456	94.74666667
14.3361	92.94117647	5843.75	7	244.8	0	14.994	21.48542	19.2	94
14.38074	93.33333333	5906.25	7	242.4	0	11.3337	20.71154	18.944	93.24
14.42109	93.7254902	5937.5	7	242.4	0	14.994	20.71154	18.944	93.73333333
14.46342	93.7254902	5937.5	7	242.4	0	14.994	20.90501	18.944	94.22666667
14.50574	94.11764706	6031.25	7	241.2	0	14.994	20.90501	18.688	94.41333333
14.54778	94.50980392	6062.5	7	240	0	11.466	20.90501	18.688	94.9
14.59074	94.90196078	6093.75	7	240	0	14.994	21.09848	18.688	95.38666667
14.63273	94.90196078	6125	7	240	0	14.994	21.48542	18.688	96.36
14.67473	94.50980392	6187.5	8	237.6	0	14.994	21.29195	18.688	96.84666667
14.71774	94.90196078	6218.75	8	237.6	0	11.613	20.90501	18.432	95.52
14.75773	94.50980392	6218.75	8	236.4	0	14.994	20.71154	18.432	96
14.80277	94.50980392	6281.25	8	236.4	0	14.994	21.09848	18.432	96.96
14.84274	94.50980392	6312.5	8	235.2	0	11.4954	20.51807	18.176	96.08666667
14.88806	94.50980392	6375	9	234	0	14.994	21.29195	18.176	96.56
14.92776	94.11764706	6406.25	9	232.8	0	14.994	20.3246	18.176	97.50666667
14.96773	93.7254902	6437.5	9	232.8	0	14.994	20.71154	17.92	96.6
15.00974	93.7254902	6468.75	9	230.4	0	11.4807	20.71154	17.92	97.06666667
15.0508	93.7254902	6500	9	230.4	0	14.994	20.3246	17.92	97.53333333
15.09679	92.94117647	6531.25	9	229.2	0	14.994	20.13113	17.664	96.6
15.13971	92.54901961	6562.5	10	228	0	14.994	20.71154	17.408	96.10666667
15.20411	90.98039216	6625	10	226.8	0	11.3484	20.71154	17.664	97.98

Run with knock count up to 13

LogEntrySeconds	TPS	RPM	TimingAdv	Load1B	KnockSum	WideBandAF	JDMMAP	InjPulseWidth	InjDutyCycle
11.4125	100	2468.75	19	93.6	0	17.1696	1.36454	6.144	12.48
11.45551	100	2437.5	19	96	0	14.994	1.75148	6.144	12.48
11.49564	100	2437.5	19	98.4	0	14.994	1.55801	6.656	13.52
11.53751	100	2468.75	19	100.8	0	14.994	1.75148	6.912	14.4
11.57751	100	2500	19	102	0	14.0091	2.13842	7.168	14.93333333
11.61755	100	2500	18	103.2	0	14.994	2.13842	7.168	14.93333333
11.66051	100	2500	17	105.6	0	14.994	2.33189	7.424	15.46666667
11.7005	100	2500	17	108	0	14.994	2.71883	7.424	15.66
11.73954	100	2531.25	16	108	0	13.3917	2.71883	7.68	16.4
11.78253	100	2562.5	15	110.4	0	14.994	3.10577	7.936	16.94666667
11.82252	100	2562.5	14	114	0	14.994	3.49271	7.424	15.85333333
11.86459	100	2562.5	13	115.2	0	14.994	3.49271	7.68	16.6
11.90449	100	2593.75	13	118.8	0	12.6126	3.87965	7.68	16.8
11.94453	100	2656.25	11	121.2	0	14.994	4.07312	8.192	17.92
11.9875	100	2625	11	126	0	14.994	4.46006	8.704	19.04
12.02751	100	2625	11	128.4	0	14.994	4.65353	8.96	19.83333333
12.07251	100	2656.25	11	130.8	0	12.3333	5.23394	9.216	20.88
12.11243	100	2718.75	10	133.2	0	14.994	5.42741	9.728	22.04
12.1515	100	2718.75	10	138	0	14.994	6.20129	9.984	22.36
12.1945	100	2718.75	10	142.8	0	14.994	6.39476	10.496	24.05333333
12.23452	100	2750	10	146.4	0	13.4358	6.7817	11.008	25.51333333
12.27692	100	2781.25	10	150	0	14.994	7.74905	11.776	27.29333333
12.31649	100	2781.25	9	154.8	0	14.994	7.94252	12.288	28.8
12.35651	100	2812.5	9	158.4	0	14.994	8.13599	12.544	29.72666667
12.39652	100	2843.75	8	162	0	13.2594	8.90987	12.8	30.33333333
12.43936	100	2875	8	165.6	0	14.994	9.68375	13.312	31.89333333
12.4815	100	2875	6	170.4	2	14.994	10.07069	13.824	33.48
12.52155	100	2906.25	5	176.4	2	14.994	10.6511	14.08	34.46666667
12.56342	100	2937.5	5	181.2	2	12.4509	11.23151	14.592	36.1
12.60347	100	2968.75	4	186	2	14.994	12.00539	15.104	37.36666667
12.64349	100	2968.75	4	193.2	3	14.994	12.77927	15.872	39.68
12.68646	100	3000	3	198	3	14.994	13.55315	16.128	40.74
12.72647	100	3062.5	2	204	3	12.054	14.32703	16.64	42.9
12.76856	100	3093.75	2	211.2	3	14.994	15.29438	17.408	44.88
12.80858	100	3093.75	1	217.2	2	14.994	16.26173	17.92	46.2
12.84853	100	3093.75	1	222	2	14.994	17.22908	18.432	48.48
12.89349	100	3187.5	2	225.6	4	11.6718	18.19643	18.688	50.12666667
12.93357	100	3218.75	1	229.2	8	14.994	18.3899	19.2	51.5
12.9755	100	3218.75	0	230.4	8	14.994	19.16378	19.2	51.5
13.01551	100	3250	0	231.6	8	14.994	19.93766	19.2	52.5
13.05551	100	3312.5	-1	228	11	11.2749	19.55072	19.2	53
13.09855	100	3312.5	-1	228	11	14.994	20.51807	18.944	52.78666667
13.14057	100	3343.75	-1	226.8	12	14.994	19.93766	18.688	53.04666667
13.18353	100	3406.25	-1	226.8	12	14.994	20.90501	18.688	53.53333333
13.22549	100	3437.5	-1	225.6	12	11.0544	19.93766	18.432	53.28
13.26846	100	3468.75	-1	223.2	12	14.994	19.74419	18.432	53.76
13.31046	100	3500	-1	224.4	13	14.994	20.51807	18.688	54.99333333
13.3505	100	3531.25	-1	226.8	13	11.4072	19.74419	18.688	55.48
13.39352	100	3593.75	-1	228	13	14.994	19.74419	18.688	56.45333333
13.43253	100	3625	-1	228	13	14.994	19.55072	18.944	57.22666667
13.47251	100	3656.25	-1	228	13	14.994	20.13113	18.688	57.42666667
13.51751	100	3687.5	-1	226.8	13	11.7159	20.51807	18.688	57.91333333
13.56046	100	3718.75	-1	226.8	13	14.994	20.71154	18.688	58.88666667
13.60553	100	3781.25	-1	225.6	12	14.994	19.74419	18.688	59.37333333
13.64749	100	3812.5	-1	226.8	12	14.994	19.74419	18.688	59.37333333
13.68753	100	3812.5	-1	225.6	13	11.4513	19.74419	18.688	59.86
13.73252	100	3875	0	225.6	13	14.994	20.71154	18.688	61.32
13.77243	100	3937.5	0	225.6	13	14.994	20.3246	18.688	61.32
13.81451	100	3937.5	0	228	13	14.994	19.93766	18.688	61.80666667
13.85453	100	4000	0	228	13	11.466	20.51807	18.944	63.14666667
13.8945	100	4031.25	0	228	13	14.994	20.51807	18.944	64.13333333
13.93954	99.60784314	4062.5	0	228	13	14.994	19.93766	18.944	64.62666667
13.97949	98.03921569	4125	0	229.2	13	14.994	20.51807	18.944	65.12
14.02152	97.25490196	4156.25	0	229.2	13	11.5836	19.93766	18.944	65.61333333
14.08336	96.47058824	4156.25	0	229.2	13	14.994	20.13113	19.2	67
14.28479	95.68627451	4250	0	230.4	13	14.994	21.09848	19.2	68.5
14.32582	93.33333333	4437.5	0	234	13	11.4072	20.71154	19.712	72.38
14.36558	93.7254902	4437.5	-1	236.4	13	14.994	20.90501	19.712	73.40666667
14.40633	94.11764706	4468.75	-1	237.6	12	14.994	20.3246	19.968	74.88
14.44557	97.64705882	4500	-1	237.6	12	11.4072	20.71154	19.968	75.92
14.48559	100	4562.5	-1	240	12	14.994	20.71154	19.968	75.92
14.52861	100	4562.5	-1	240	12	14.994	21.67889	19.968	76.96
14.5706	100	4625	-1	238.8	12	14.994	20.3246	19.968	78
14.61135	100	4687.5	-1	240	12	11.2602	20.90501	19.968	78
14.6506	100	4687.5	-1	241.2	12	14.994	20.71154	20.224	79.52666667
14.69059	100	4718.75	-1	240	12	14.994	20.51807	19.968	79.56
14.73259	100	4781.25	-1	240	12	14.994	20.90501	19.968	79.56
14.77259	100	4781.25	-1	242.4	12	11.3484	20.71154	20.48	82.13333333
14.81572	100	4812.5	-1	243.6	12	14.994	20.90501	20.48	83.2
14.85768	100	4875	-1	243.6	12	14.994	21.29195	20.48	84.26666667
14.89847	100	4937.5	-1	243.6	12	14.994	20.90501	20.48	83.73333333
14.94351	100	4937.5	-1	247.2	12	11.3337	21.48542	20.736	86.4
14.98555	100	5000	-1	247.2	12	14.994	21.09848	20.992	88.01333333
15.02551	100	5031.25	-1	249.6	12	14.994	21.48542	20.992	88.01333333
15.07052	100	5062.5	-1	249.6	12	11.2455	21.48542	20.992	88.56
15.1155	100	5062.5	-1	252	12	14.994	21.48542	20.992	89.65333333
15.15751	100	5125	1	253.2	12	14.994	21.67889	21.248	91.85333333
15.19749	100	5218.75	1	254.4	11	14.994	22.2593	21.248	92.40666667
15.2375	100	5218.75	1	255.6	11	11.1867	22.2593	21.248	92.40666667
15.28049	100	5250	1	255.6	11	14.994	22.45277	21.248	93.51333333
15.32252	100	5312.5	1	254.4	11	14.994	22.2593	21.248	94.62
15.36552	100	5343.75	1	254.4	11	14.994	22.64624	21.248	94.62
15.4075	100	5343.75	1	256.8	11	11.1279	22.45277	21.504	96.32
15.44751	100	5406.25	1	256.8	11	14.994	22.64624	21.248	96.28
15.49256	100	5468.75	1	255.6	11	14.994	22.2593	21.504	98
15.53255	100	5468.75	1	255.6	11	14.994	22.2593	21.504	98
15.57454	100	5468.75	1	256.8	11	11.1426	23.03318	21.504	99.12
15.61451	100	5562.5	1	256.8	11	14.994	22.45277	21.248	99.04666667
15.65451	100	5593.75	1	255.6	11	14.994	22.2593	21.248	99.04666667
15.69752	100	5625	1	255.6	11	14.994	22.2593	20.992	98.4
15.73951	100	5625	1	255.6	11	10.878	22.45277	20.992	99.49333333
15.77949	100	5687.5	1	254.4	11	14.994	22.64624	20.992	100.5866667
15.81952	100	5750	2	254.4	11	14.994	22.45277	20.736	99.36
15.86451	100	5750	2	253.2	11	14.994	22.2593	20.736	100.44
15.90754	100	5812.5	2	252	11	10.9956	22.2593	20.48	99.73333333
15.95175	100	5843.75	2	252	11	14.994	22.64624	20.224	99.01333333
15.99454	100	5875	2	250.8	10	14.994	22.2593	20.224	98.48666667
16.03584	99.60784314	5875	2	250.8	10	14.994	22.06583	19.968	99.32
16.08155	99.60784314	6000	2	248.4	10	11.0103	21.87236	19.712	99.07333333
16.12042	99.60784314	6031.25	2	247.2	10	14.994	21.67889	19.456	97.28
16.16453	99.60784314	6000	2	247.2	10	14.994	21.87236	19.712	98.04666667
16.20553	99.60784314	6000	2	248.4	10	14.994	21.67889	19.2	98.5
16.2465	99.60784314	6187.5	3	244.8	10	11.1573	21.67889	19.2	98.5
16.29052	99.21568627	6156.25	3	243.6	10	14.994	22.2593	19.2	98
16.33053	86.66666667	6125	2	244.8	10	14.994	21.87236	19.2	98.5
16.37358	57.64705882	6187.5	3	237.6	10	14.994	17.42255	2.816	14.66666667
16.41452	32.15686275	6281.25	15	120	10	11.2749	2.33189	3.328	17.24666667
16.4575	22.74509804	6156.25	29	57.6	8	14.994	-5.79385	1.28	6.5
16.49756	21.17647059	6093.75	36	22.8	4	14.994	-8.11549	1.28	6.433333333
16.53854	19.21568627	6031.25	37	19.2	0	14.994	-9.66325	1.28	6.333333333

As I said earlier both of these pulls were done on the same tune about 3 min apart.

Heres the Fuel and Ignition maps



Any ideas on how to attack this?

Ethan

ethan169

iTrader: (3)

bump?

Guru Johnson

Hello Ethan,

How big are your injectors and what does your injector latency map look like?

It might help.

ethan169

iTrader: (3)

Johnson,

I am running the stock injectors still. Had them on there since day 1. I think it might be time to upgade to a larger injector. I really didnt think that with the few mods I have that I would be maxing out the stock injectors. I even lowered to boost down to 18-20psi and im still at 90% in the upper rpms.

Here my Latency table. It should be stock...

ethan169

iTrader: (3)

So I performed a boost leak test last night and couldnt really find anything major. It sounds like i could be leaking just a tiny bit around the J-pipe to LICP coupler or the flange where the J-pipe mounts to the compressor of the turbo. Its not really that audible and I can feel anything as far as air leaking around those areas. I have a feeling that it might be the air leaking through the engine becasue of the current valve position and what im hearing is it going through the down pipe?.... Anyway I bought a spray bottle so I can spray some soapy water up there and check for bubbles. I have a feeling that this isnt the case though....

Anyone else have any ideas for the tune? Is my timing at the low rpm low-mid load too jumpy or high? Not smooth enough maybe? The car is an absolute toilet right now with the low boost and timing. Im at a loss here.

There is one other thing that I thought has a small possibility of creating false knock. I have a MAF adapter on my stock intake tube with an open element dry filter. There is no solid bracket holding the tube still anymore. I have a some what half assed zip tie setup that holds it somewhat firm until I can fab up a bracket. Ive just been kind of busy at work and it seemed to be ok. Could there be some vibration of the MAF causing turbulence creating my issues?

Any help would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks,

Ethan

Raptord

iTrader: (10)

A smoother timing map would definitely help, but I don't think that would be the only cause.