CBRD's BBK-B.. 457whp/365wtq on 93..
Jul 21, 2010 | 05:59 AM
#107
^Have you guys driven a BBK Full car? The spool is seriously like stock. The BBK-B is like 200 RPM "laggier" than the Full. I think I can deal with 200-300 RPM of lag over the stock turbo to hit 400+whp on the CBRD dyno. If I wouldnt have driven a kid's car with the Full I would probably feel the same way about the lag issues, etc. But having driven one, I can totally take on a couple more RPM for 30+ more whp. Just my $0.02.
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
Jul 21, 2010 | 08:20 AM
#108
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^Have you guys driven a BBK Full car? The spool is seriously like stock. The BBK-B is like 200 RPM "laggier" than the Full. I think I can deal with 200-300 RPM of lag over the stock turbo to hit 400+whp on the CBRD dyno. If I wouldnt have driven a kid's car with the Full I would probably feel the same way about the lag issues, etc. But having driven one, I can totally take on a couple more RPM for 30+ more whp. Just my $0.02.
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
Jul 21, 2010 | 08:30 AM
#109
The Full will hit around 400 whp on their dyno on pump gas with the right supporting mods. 450 whp on E85 or 110 or whatever. If the goal is 400, you shouldn't need the B. If the goal is 500, it's probably a better choice for you.
Jul 21, 2010 | 08:48 AM
#110
Yup!!!! When you talk power in turbos it's like discussing how hot looking a gal is.
Transient response is like discussing her housekeeping skills.
Power is always the OMG....chatter subject.
Transient response, just as important at least to me, because it's the attitude you will have to live with.
What do I know....just OG banter.....lol
Transient response is like discussing her housekeeping skills.
Power is always the OMG....chatter subject.
Transient response, just as important at least to me, because it's the attitude you will have to live with.
What do I know....just OG banter.....lol
Last edited by whtrice; Jul 21, 2010 at 01:29 PM.
Jul 21, 2010 | 11:13 AM
#111
^Have you guys driven a BBK Full car? The spool is seriously like stock. The BBK-B is like 200 RPM "laggier" than the Full. I think I can deal with 200-300 RPM of lag over the stock turbo to hit 400+whp on the CBRD dyno. If I wouldnt have driven a kid's car with the Full I would probably feel the same way about the lag issues, etc. But having driven one, I can totally take on a couple more RPM for 30+ more whp. Just my $0.02.
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
PS: Bought my EVO at 22, now 28, and never plan to sell it! haha....
Jul 21, 2010 | 01:16 PM
#112
"Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
Last edited by TURBevO8; Jul 21, 2010 at 01:22 PM.
Jul 21, 2010 | 01:19 PM
#113
I spoke with Chad at length about this when I ordered my Full a few months ago. I knew the B was coming this summer and wanted his honest opinion. Chad made it clear to me that the B would not be replacing the Full. Just another alternative for those who favor slightly better top end over slightly better spool. That's why I went with the Full. My argument is that there is always the FP Red/Black if top end is the priority.
Jul 21, 2010 | 03:47 PM
#114
Yeah, by supporting mods you mean own a IX, not a VIII, and do a stage 3 head, if not also add a sheet metal IM and more aggressive cams and valvetrain, open wastegate, etc, etc as seen on all the other cars tuned up there on the Full. Not worth all those mods and money for the sake of 200RPM (to me at least). My goal is not 400 but rather as much as possible with the 200 RPM tradeoff. If it does 430whp, bonus. "Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
"Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
Jul 21, 2010 | 07:06 PM
#115
Jul 21, 2010 | 07:13 PM
#116
Yeah, by supporting mods you mean own a IX, not a VIII, and do a stage 3 head, if not also add a sheet metal IM and more aggressive cams and valvetrain, open wastegate, etc, etc as seen on all the other cars tuned up there on the Full. Not worth all those mods and money for the sake of 200RPM (to me at least). My goal is not 400 but rather as much as possible with the 200 RPM tradeoff. If it does 430whp, bonus. "Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
"Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....just thought i would put that out there
jeff
Jul 21, 2010 | 07:15 PM
#117
Yeah, by supporting mods you mean own a IX, not a VIII, and do a stage 3 head, if not also add a sheet metal IM and more aggressive cams and valvetrain, open wastegate, etc, etc as seen on all the other cars tuned up there on the Full. Not worth all those mods and money for the sake of 200RPM (to me at least). My goal is not 400 but rather as much as possible with the 200 RPM tradeoff. If it does 430whp, bonus. "Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
"Typical bolt-ons" and the Full make around 360-380whp on that dyno. Now I will get flamed for "typical bolt-ons"....
Jul 22, 2010 | 01:36 AM
#119
Yup!!!! When you talk power in turbos it's like discussing how hot looking a gal is.
Transient response is like discussing her housekeeping skills.
Power is always the OMG....chatter subject.
Transient response, just as important at least to me, because it's the attitude you will have to live with.
What do I know....just OG banter.....lol
Transient response is like discussing her housekeeping skills.
Power is always the OMG....chatter subject.
Transient response, just as important at least to me, because it's the attitude you will have to live with.
What do I know....just OG banter.....lol
Jul 22, 2010 | 05:43 AM
#120