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Old Nov 5, 2010, 03:23 PM
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E85 is where its at! im lucky to have one near me
Old Nov 5, 2010, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan.Kauz
90-100 days, and that is in general. When in an area where 100% humidity is common for long periods of time (I'm talking to you Northwesterners!) it would be considerably less.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_...ecautions.html


Interestingly, this is another reason why Nation-wide E85 mandatory consumption is a dream, and a stupid one at that.
There's nothing on that page to substantiate the 2-3 month shelf life statement. At my workplace, we store pure ethanol for a year at a time or longer with no adverse effects. The key is to use an air tight container, and if anyone wants to go the extra mile, flood the container with an inert gas such as nitrogen or argon before putting the lid on after removing fuel.

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Old Nov 5, 2010, 03:51 PM
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argon would be easy considering I have lots argon around AND its heavier than air
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If water saturation occured as fast as that article claims the tunes on our cars would reflect the changes. Misfires, erratic AFR, etc. Since it doesnt happen I would presume the turnover on fuel is sufficiently fast to make saturation a relative non issue. We keep 550 gallons on hand at the shop and dont go through it as fast as a station would and have no issues.
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Not too mention they are only talking about e10. E85 should be a lot worse if ethanol was as bad as these people say. I see stuff all the time about how horrible ethanol is yet I have run it for YEARS with not a single instance of problem due to ethanol. I have yet to even see the dreaded gunk with easily 50K+ miles driven on e85.
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Originally Posted by GST Motorsports
I think I would take the whole "leaner" statement with a grain of salt depending on what platform is being discussed.

The motor being used has alot to do with these statements IMHO.

Our motors are much more efficient then alot of others.

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what i wont debate is the outcome of any hands experience you have with metal-based octane boosters and ethanol.
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R/Ternie i think this guy im doing right now is going to pass you lol. way more timing to add.

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Hmmm. I dont know that I put stock in racegas being non compatible with ethanol. We have done sufficient testing to see that Q16 mixes with E very well. We have also used MS109 (unleaded) with very similar results. Watching knock voltage in both stock ECU and AEM cars we havent seen sufficient increase in probable events when mixing.

Q16 is MON 117 as is E98, and we have mixed it E50 this way to extend a taxed fuel system without any issues.

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R/Ternie i think this guy im doing right now is going to pass you lol. way more timing to add.
Put it on a real dynojet and see what it does.

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Originally Posted by R/TErnie
Put it on a real dynojet and see what it does.

same numbers trust me, but his setup is only taking 12* uptop so i guess i spoke to soon. anything past 12 and hes over mbt. never seen that low before with e85. so i dont think its gonna beat your HP, it will torque tho. but you are running less timing on purpose down there to keep the torque down so you got him beat both ways.
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Nice power and Gain ..
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bottom line is its a really fun turbo for the streets...

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Originally Posted by nucci
bottom line is its a really fun turbo for the streets...

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ya it spools fast as hell and gives slightly more power then stock 9 turbo.. so ya its not bad. seeing what it does on this guys setup at 36psi..

but if R/Ternie put a fp black on his car he would run well over 600WHP so i just think its a waste considering you can spool a black by 4100rpm on a 2L with perfect AFR at spoolup.

or a red or a bbk-b or a hta green.. so many more options that pack more heat imo. but yes i understand its ball bearing and it will respond faster then a journal bearing.

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I'm very pleased with the car.

I just blew the headgasket on my dodge neon (surprise!)... so I may not make it to the dyno this weekend since I need to rebuild the 2.4L that's going in. oh wells. I'm getting my other Neon up and running for the winter, storing the Evo for the next week or so, and pulling the engine/trans out of the R/T.

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Originally Posted by tscompusa
ya it spools fast as hell and gives slightly more power then stock 9 turbo.. so ya its not bad. seeing what it does on this guys setup at 36psi..

but if R/Ternie put a fp black on his car he would run well over 600WHP so i just think its a waste considering you can spool a black by 4100rpm on a 2L with perfect AFR at spoolup.

or a red or a bbk-b or a hta green.. so many more options that pack more heat imo. but yes i understand its ball bearing and it will respond faster then a journal bearing.
wow...really the HKS turbo is just barely better than the stock 9? Seems like I threw away my money then...didn't get the car back from the shop yet...so I can't tell you from my own experience...seems like R/T Ernie tested the Green and the Red yet thinks that the HKS is better...I haven't seen 9 turbo put out 470-490HP...I've seen 420-430 on e85...I have no experience with other turbos besides the stock 9...so who am I to say...Can you please explain what makes you say this? From the dyno graphs here...seems that even the Red is within the same HP level of 470-500HP on e85 on a dynojet...I do agree that the Black will make more power...but I haven't seen one at full boost by 4100rpm...yet...


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