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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 01:24 AM
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Dissapointing numbers

UPDATED PLEASE SEE POST 62

Mods are in signature. I went to get my cam install and tune to wrap up my base modification list before turbo swap in october and WOOOWWWW what low frickin numbers!

No boost leaks says tuner
New throttle body seals
Tuner says that my 9.8 hotside turbo (he didn't know that 05 evo's have a 10.5 hotside) just wont hold any boost. He said that he tried turning the boost up but it would just have bad taper and not hold so he tuned me at like 20 psi max.

I made 267 whp / around 267 tq on a mustang dyno using 91 octane.

I have been poking around on the forum trying to piece together what it could be but really would like some more opinions.

My research so far has led me to believe it could be:

- Bad WGA, has this happened to you guys much?
- Something is wrong with my turbo
- Bad Bypass valve
- MBC is ****ed up (even though I'm 95% sure I installed it the right way)

I want to buy a pinto, curl up into a ball and watch x files.

UPDATED PLEASE SEE POST 62
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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 04:50 AM
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what is the mileage on the car ?
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 06:08 AM
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What kind of numbers were you expecting?
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 06:14 AM
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i think the car should of made about 300 so your not far off
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 07:57 AM
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definitely seems a little low. Like 5 or so years ago, my 8 did 295hp/274tq on that dyno. I had intake, exhaust w/ HFC, old HKS 272's, GST boost line, 760cc injectors. I think that's it.

So not super low, but my car certainly wasn't overly strong for an 8 as it was.
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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On 91 octane (depending on the weather the day of the dyno test and given the limitations you mentioned in your first post) you seem to be in the low end of the ballpark for a low reading Mustang Dyno.

Forget the numbers for a minute: Does the car run better, smoother, or faster?
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CoachG
Forget the numbers for a minute: Does the car run better, smoother, or faster?

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Great question - often times we get too concerned with the dyno numbers, and not whether or not the mods + tune improved the feel of the car.
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by YaroRS
what is the mileage on the car ?
Mileage is 46xxx

Originally Posted by Craig King
What kind of numbers were you expecting?
I was expecting around 290-295 for that particular dyno

Originally Posted by itsmrrizz2you
i think the car should of made about 300 so your not far off
Mustang or dynojet?

Originally Posted by CoachG
On 91 octane (depending on the weather the day of the dyno test and given the limitations you mentioned in your first post) you seem to be in the low end of the ballpark for a low reading Mustang Dyno.

Suggestions? do you think the 91 is really the problem here or something else?

Forget the numbers for a minute: Does the car run better, smoother, or faster?
Yes the car is much more linear. He filled in some power up top that was not there before the tune. HOWEVER, I find when I'm on the freeway doing 60, my car is very slow to accelerate. I feel like my dad's outback is faster than my car. VERY disappointing considering all the time, busted hands, and most importantly MONEY I put into this thing.
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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Compression checked?

Valve timing could also be out after putting the S1s in. I had the same experience with my 05 VIII, and until I read up on how to dial my cams in, and then did it, I was 10-15% down across the board.
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 12:35 PM
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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cdrinkh2o
Compression checked?

the two scariest words in life (to me)... time stops, breath deepens, heartbeat raises...
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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stock cam pulleys ?
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cdrinkh2o
Compression checked?

Valve timing could also be out after putting the S1s in. I had the same experience with my 05 VIII, and until I read up on how to dial my cams in, and then did it, I was 10-15% down across the board.
Thank you for some solid advise. Do I need new gears to do this? Is it pretty simple/straightforward?

Originally Posted by CoachG
At 60mph on the highway, assuming that you are in 5th gear, you will be turning the engine at fairly low revs (maybe 2600rpm). If you just kick the throttle, you will not get neck snapping acceleration...but if you drop it down a gear (7000rpm in 4th is good for about 110mph or so) or two gears (7k rpm in 3rd is good for around 80mph), you'll get the rush of speed you're looking for!
Dude, really? Yes, I down shift.

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stock cam pulleys ?
Yes stock cam pulleys
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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adj pulleys and get the cams dialled in properly
Old Sep 1, 2012 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by todd6027
adj pulleys and get the cams dialled in properly
are we comparing apples and oranges here? i see you own a 9 and the OP owns a 8. There is also no need to degree gsc s1 cams on a 2.0. He should be getting power right out the box. the reasons for your low numbers have to be a mixture of things. for one, 91 octane is crap. your evo 8.5 turbo is restricted with its smaller intake side. i would definitely do a compression test followed by a boost leak test, also look over your parts...


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