TS HTA3076 93oct
Dec 20, 2012, 07:29 PM
#1
TS HTA3076 93oct
Current set up
Built 2.0L Wiseco/MAP Ultimate rods
Headway Performance CNC'd head w/ stk sized valves
Kiggly Beehive/Ti retainers
Kelford 276HL cams 0/0
FP HTA 3076 T3 1.06 A/R
MILSPEC 65mm TB
AMS F1
MPFab twin scroll turbo kit
SD conversion tuned by me
Last time I dynoed on pump gas the car made 452whp and 380wtq on 31psi
I've since swapped intake manifolds from VSR to F1, replaced Comp 280s with Kelford 276 high lift cams, converted to speed density, and built a new 321 turbo header w/ slip fit low angle merge collectors.
I think there's maybe a little bit more left on the table, but this should be a pretty safe tune. I had ZERO knock anywhere.
Built 2.0L Wiseco/MAP Ultimate rods
Headway Performance CNC'd head w/ stk sized valves
Kiggly Beehive/Ti retainers
Kelford 276HL cams 0/0
FP HTA 3076 T3 1.06 A/R
MILSPEC 65mm TB
AMS F1
MPFab twin scroll turbo kit
SD conversion tuned by me
Last time I dynoed on pump gas the car made 452whp and 380wtq on 31psi
I've since swapped intake manifolds from VSR to F1, replaced Comp 280s with Kelford 276 high lift cams, converted to speed density, and built a new 321 turbo header w/ slip fit low angle merge collectors.
I think there's maybe a little bit more left on the table, but this should be a pretty safe tune. I had ZERO knock anywhere.
Last edited by Drifto; Dec 31, 2012 at 05:29 PM.
Dec 20, 2012, 09:41 PM
#4
not sure what your goals with setup are. if planned to be on 93 octane or not. but my observation is this is a VERY laggy 500whp setup. thin wall stainless headers kill torque, as do sheet metal intakes. and this setup certainly shows it. if of course your goal was 500whp on pump on a red sized turbo then this is a good way to do it.
Dec 21, 2012, 03:29 AM
#7
not sure what your goals with setup are. if planned to be on 93 octane or not. but my observation is this is a VERY laggy 500whp setup. thin wall stainless headers kill torque, as do sheet metal intakes. and this setup certainly shows it. if of course your goal was 500whp on pump on a red sized turbo then this is a good way to do it.
*******it Jerry...do you have a personality disorder?
If there is a chance for you to get on your soap box and scream "laggy" or comment on how a tubular turbo header or intake manifold ruins the bottom end power of a set up, you never miss a chance. You are correct...feel better now??I do feel that "VERY laggy" or you saying that I "killed tq" by using these is a subjective debate. This 2.0L set up still makes 300lb/ft by 4100 and 300whp by 4,400. Not to mention it makes over 500whp from 5,800 past 8,000 and 450+ wtq on pump gas...that doesn't sound dead to me.
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Dec 21, 2012, 05:07 AM
#9
That quote is priceless! Go get'em!! You are still more daring then me on pump gas. I would at least run some method injection. But I am a sissy.
*******it Jerry...do you have a personality disorder? If there is a chance for you to get on your soap box and scream "laggy" or comment on how a tubular turbo header or intake manifold ruins the bottom end power of a set up, you never miss a chance. You are correct...feel better now??
I do feel that "VERY laggy" or you saying that I "killed tq" by using these is a subjective debate. This 2.0L set up still makes 300lb/ft by 4100 and 300whp by 4,400. Not to mention it makes over 500whp from 5,800 past 8,000 and 450+ wtq on pump gas...that doesn't sound dead to me.
If there is a chance for you to get on your soap box and scream "laggy" or comment on how a tubular turbo header or intake manifold ruins the bottom end power of a set up, you never miss a chance. You are correct...feel better now??I do feel that "VERY laggy" or you saying that I "killed tq" by using these is a subjective debate. This 2.0L set up still makes 300lb/ft by 4100 and 300whp by 4,400. Not to mention it makes over 500whp from 5,800 past 8,000 and 450+ wtq on pump gas...that doesn't sound dead to me.
Dec 21, 2012, 06:20 AM
#10
4,500-6,700
9deg
6,800-7,100
10deg
7,200-7,500
11deg
7,600-8,400
12deg
8,500-
13deg
Tonight, I can post the log data. Load was around 340 at peak.
Last edited by Drifto; Dec 21, 2012 at 06:26 AM.
Dec 21, 2012, 09:56 AM
#11
An FP Black on a 2.4 usually makes 300 ft lbs by 4100....VERY impressive Walker. I have been waiting to see the results from the new header. So this kind of follows what 03whitegsr was saying yesterday, TS seems to reset what most think of octane limit vs boost? I'd be interested to see the knock voltage if it was logged.
Aaron
Aaron
Dec 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
#12
An FP Black on a 2.4 usually makes 300 ft lbs by 4100....VERY impressive Walker. I have been waiting to see the results from the new header. So this kind of follows what 03whitegsr was saying yesterday, TS seems to reset what most think of octane limit vs boost? I'd be interested to see the knock voltage if it was logged.
Aaron
Aaron
That means alot coming from you Aaron. There are some awesome cars that come out of English racing as a direct result of you being there. I do agree with your statement regarding octane vs boost and TS. I'm not sure what 03 said, but my understanding of why has to do with less potential for reversion from paired cylinder collectors vs. open collectors. It's also why some suggest running a more aggressive camshaft w/ more duration on a TS setup vs. open.
Dec 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
#13
That means alot coming from you Aaron. There are some awesome cars that come out of English racing as a direct result of you being there. I do agree with your statement regarding octane vs boost and TS. I'm not sure what 03 said, but my understanding of why has to do with less potential for reversion from paired cylinder collectors vs. open collectors. It's also why some suggest running a more aggressive camshaft w/ more duration on a TS setup vs. open.
Reversion is a son of a B. Timed collectors and long tube at that all make sense in what they are doing to help keep it at bay.
Yeah more aggressive cams makes sense since it bleeds of compression anyway and we can monopolise on a higher volume of "clean" air in the cylinder.
This was all he had said-
Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
It came time for the final pull and seeing how much it would do at 28-29psi which is the historic limit for 92 octane in the PNW it seems. Shane had wanted to see 500whp from this kit and it didnt let him down-
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
It came time for the final pull and seeing how much it would do at 28-29psi which is the historic limit for 92 octane in the PNW it seems. Shane had wanted to see 500whp from this kit and it didnt let him down-
You might want to retest this "limit" with the twin scroll stuff. It seemed to me that twinscroll setups could tolerate more boost anyway.
Dec 21, 2012, 07:12 PM
#14
*******it Jerry...do you have a personality disorder? If there is a chance for you to get on your soap box and scream "laggy" or comment on how a tubular turbo header or intake manifold ruins the bottom end power of a set up, you never miss a chance. You are correct...feel better now??
I do feel that "VERY laggy" or you saying that I "killed tq" by using these is a subjective debate. This 2.0L set up still makes 300lb/ft by 4100 and 300whp by 4,400. Not to mention it makes over 500whp from 5,800 past 8,000 and 450+ wtq on pump gas...that doesn't sound dead to me.
If there is a chance for you to get on your soap box and scream "laggy" or comment on how a tubular turbo header or intake manifold ruins the bottom end power of a set up, you never miss a chance. You are correct...feel better now??I do feel that "VERY laggy" or you saying that I "killed tq" by using these is a subjective debate. This 2.0L set up still makes 300lb/ft by 4100 and 300whp by 4,400. Not to mention it makes over 500whp from 5,800 past 8,000 and 450+ wtq on pump gas...that doesn't sound dead to me.
Dec 21, 2012, 07:47 PM
#15
sorry you are insulted. there is really no gentle way of posting a negative comment. but I stand by my views. if I build 500whp setup I will get 400tq by 3800rpm. that is a 1000rpm to the left of what you have. there is really no way to describe how much more fun the car is. but if you ever get to tampa be sure to look me up. be happy to show you.