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Old Apr 30, 2017, 06:17 AM
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Quick Question on 255 walbro

Hey everyone,

Sorry for the noob question, but i'm getting a walbro 255 soon.. I was wondering after I installed it, do I need to have the car's tune re-adjusted / retuned or can I just run it was the tune I'm currently on? I currently have a 93 oct. tune by EFI Logics.
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Should retune after a pump install!!! (AFR's will be affected)

Heres 2 threads w/some experienced opinions:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-tuning-2.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...install-2.html

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Originally Posted by MinusPrevious
Should retune after a pump install!!! (AFR's will be affected)

Heres 2 threads w/some experienced opinions:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-tuning-2.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...install-2.html
​​​​​​​After I installed it at my house, would I be able to drive the car 30 minutes to my tuner?
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Originally Posted by 4G63_Crazy
​​​​​​​After I installed it at my house, would I be able to drive the car 30 minutes to my tuner?
No problem at all. Most of us when an fuel / air system change is done, is simple roll over to the tuner & stay out of boost. No worries
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Originally Posted by MinusPrevious
No problem at all. Most of us when an fuel / air system change is done, is simple roll over to the tuner & stay out of boost. No worries
Thanks! Is that the same thing with cams? Thinking of installing cams aswell, not sure if I can drive my car there or not..
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Originally Posted by 4G63_Crazy
Thanks! Is that the same thing with cams? Thinking of installing cams aswell, not sure if I can drive my car there or not..
As long as the cams are installed properly (timed) you should be OK running it to the turner (out of boost). Same w/injectors or most any other bolt-on!
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If you do the job properly, the AFRs will remain exactly the same. That's because if you do it properly the pressure doesn't change

If you do the job wrong like most on here, the AFRs change.


What you SHOULD be doing is take fuel pressure measurements BEFORE the pump change.
Then take them again after.

The fuel pressure at idle with the vac line ON
The fuel pressure at lidle with the vac line pulled off.
So long as the pressure doesn't change, you won't need a tune.

But you'll need a better flowing FPR to do it.

Then you won't need to ask and you won't get wrong answers.
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Originally Posted by RightSaid fred
If you do the job properly, the AFRs will remain exactly the same. That's because if you do it properly the pressure doesn't change

If you do the job wrong like most on here, the AFRs change.


What you SHOULD be doing is take fuel pressure measurements BEFORE the pump change.
Then take them again after.

The fuel pressure at idle with the vac line ON
The fuel pressure at lidle with the vac line pulled off.
So long as the pressure doesn't change, you won't need a tune.

But you'll need a better flowing FPR to do it.

Then you won't need to ask and you won't get wrong answers.
Really? what is the right and wrong way to install the fuel pump?
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Originally Posted by RightSaid fred
If you do the job properly, the AFRs will remain exactly the same. That's because if you do it properly the pressure doesn't change

If you do the job wrong like most on here, the AFRs change.


What you SHOULD be doing is take fuel pressure measurements BEFORE the pump change.
Then take them again after.

The fuel pressure at idle with the vac line ON
The fuel pressure at lidle with the vac line pulled off.
So long as the pressure doesn't change, you won't need a tune.

But you'll need a better flowing FPR to do it.

Then you won't need to ask and you won't get wrong answers.
Oh the irony is that you are giving him wrong answers.
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The correct way to install a pump is to make sure that the pressure IN SPEC afterwards.
That's making sure that it's IN SPEC before modification.

Originally Posted by deylag
Oh the irony is that you are giving him wrong answers.
And you've got no idea.


A fuel system with unregulated pressure can't be tuned properly because the pressure changes with electrical load and changes with the weather.
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Do not listen to Fred. Change the pump and drive. The 255 does not over run the stock regulator. So, unless the car was previously tuned and the current pump was running out of flow, you do not need a retune to install a walbro 255.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Do not listen to Fred. Change the pump and drive. The 255 does not over run the stock regulator. So, unless the car was previously tuned and the current pump was running out of flow, you do not need a retune to install a walbro 255.
The car is currently tuned on 93 -- Doesn't "feel" like the current pump is running out of flow... Seems to be running fine.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Do not listen to Fred. Change the pump and drive. The 255 does not over run the stock regulator. So, unless the car was previously tuned and the current pump was running out of flow, you do not need a retune to install a walbro 255.
you should also make sure your tire pressure is good before and after a fuel pump install.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Do not listen to Fred. Change the pump and drive. The 255 does not over run the stock regulator. So, unless the car was previously tuned and the current pump was running out of flow, you do not need a retune to install a walbro 255.


So what you're implying is that the fuel pressure doesn't matter.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect fuel flow through the injectors.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect AFR.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect knock.
The engine won't blow up if you get it wrong.

No fuel pressure gauge required.

Great advice?
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Originally Posted by RightSaid fred
So what you're implying is that the fuel pressure doesn't matter.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect fuel flow through the injectors.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect AFR.
The fuel pressure doesn't affect knock.
The engine won't blow up if you get it wrong.

No fuel pressure gauge required.

Great advice?
Fuel pressure does matter. However, the walbro 255 does not overrun the stock regulator when used with the stock hi/lo voltage Evo wiring. So it's not an issue.


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