What's the harm in taking off the line to the waste gate
#16
matt, the turbo in the evo is fantastic to say the least, don't mess around with the waste gate for a extra psi or 2, its not gonna do that much powerwise anyway, its just gonna mess up ur turbo bro, u dont need that headache
#18
Originally Posted by Grog
NYREDEVO is right. Taking off the line to the wastegate actuator will mean that the WG doesn't open, which means overboosting. The only safeguard is if you flow more air than your fuel injectors can handle; then you'll get fuel cut. Other than that, it will build boost until you either blow something up, burn out turbo bearings, or hit fuel cut. No reason to do this intentially; not even at the track. Get a boost controller and turn it up so that you'll have good stable boost pressure.
#19
This is off topic but i was have boost troble and hooked up my mbc and was hitting fuel cut and put it back to stock and now im only getting 10 freakin psi could this have something to do with the waste gate?
#20
Removing the vac line from the wastegate will limit boost to w/g spring pressure or about 11psi. To do what all of you are talking about, you have to wire the wastegate closed.
#21
I just re read your post.
If you unhook all lines to the wasegate your are looking for trouble. BOOM
By unhooking all lines to the wasegate it is closed because there is nothing telling it to open.
If you just run a line from the turbo to the wasegate and NOT to the boost controler you will see 11psi or what ever the spring is.
I think im correct on this and i hope my wording/ typing came across correct.
If you unhook all lines to the wasegate your are looking for trouble. BOOM
By unhooking all lines to the wasegate it is closed because there is nothing telling it to open.
If you just run a line from the turbo to the wasegate and NOT to the boost controler you will see 11psi or what ever the spring is.
I think im correct on this and i hope my wording/ typing came across correct.
#23
There are lots of reasons to avoid going down your modification path:
- Eliminating Fuel Cut was a bad idea: it's a function that protects your engine from blowing due to excessive knock. It's one thing working with fuel cut, it's a whole other thing to work without it. Most experienced tuners leave fuel cut alone in the Evo, just ask around if you doubt me.
- Disconnecting the control line to the wastegate is a bad idea: It's an essential component to control your boost level. Without this you'll boost uncontrollably. Uncontrolled anything is not a good way to tune.
You said you flashed out fuel cut? Who did your flash anyhow? I'm curious.
Overboosting is a subjective term. It fits one or more of these explainations:
- Turbo compressor is spinning so fast the compressor wheel has surpassed it's efficiency, resulting in no more increase in air pressure, just more hotter air.
- The engine is getting more air than it can handle or manage. This results in explosive combustion commonly known as knock... which can be destructive enough to blow a hole in (or melt) pistons or the cylinder wall.
- others not mentioned here not directly related to this topic.
- Eliminating Fuel Cut was a bad idea: it's a function that protects your engine from blowing due to excessive knock. It's one thing working with fuel cut, it's a whole other thing to work without it. Most experienced tuners leave fuel cut alone in the Evo, just ask around if you doubt me.
- Disconnecting the control line to the wastegate is a bad idea: It's an essential component to control your boost level. Without this you'll boost uncontrollably. Uncontrolled anything is not a good way to tune.
You said you flashed out fuel cut? Who did your flash anyhow? I'm curious.
Overboosting is a subjective term. It fits one or more of these explainations:
- Turbo compressor is spinning so fast the compressor wheel has surpassed it's efficiency, resulting in no more increase in air pressure, just more hotter air.
- The engine is getting more air than it can handle or manage. This results in explosive combustion commonly known as knock... which can be destructive enough to blow a hole in (or melt) pistons or the cylinder wall.
- others not mentioned here not directly related to this topic.
#24
You newbis are killing me with your post , Dynoflash is who flashed my ecu . Besides "compressor wheel has surpassed it's efficiency " , the other stuff is just crazy...
#25
Originally Posted by matt55
You newbis are killing me with your post , Dynoflash is who flashed my ecu . Besides "compressor wheel has surpassed it's efficiency " , the other stuff is just crazy...
There is no need to run with the wastegate line pulled. Just turn the boost up instead. At least that way you are controlling it.
#26
Originally Posted by ShapeGSX
I run a spike of 30psi with my 16G, and I have to tune out knock with 117 octane fuel. You can definitely destroy your engine by running too much boost, even on race gas. Were you datalogging?
There is no need to run with the wastegate line pulled. Just turn the boost up instead. At least that way you are controlling it.
There is no need to run with the wastegate line pulled. Just turn the boost up instead. At least that way you are controlling it.
#27
Originally Posted by matt55
You newbis are killing me with your post , Dynoflash is who flashed my ecu . Besides "compressor wheel has surpassed it's efficiency " , the other stuff is just crazy...
If you summarise what everybody here is writing it would be a big “DON’T DO IT!!!” If you then think that we all are newbies why don’t you just go a head and drive your car with crazy boost and the WG disconnected and see what happens and learn the hard way?
I would say that it’s total madness to drive with that kind of set up, you would easily hit 30psi with a stock turbo that way, but hey, what do I know, we are all newbies here anyway…
#28
Originally Posted by Evillusion
Removing the vac line from the wastegate will limit boost to w/g spring pressure or about 11psi. To do what all of you are talking about, you have to wire the wastegate closed.
#30
Originally Posted by EVOVII_SWE
If you summarise what everybody here is writing it would be a big “DON’T DO IT!!!” If you then think that we all are newbies why don’t you just go a head and drive your car with crazy boost and the WG disconnected and see what happens and learn the hard way?
I would say that it’s total madness to drive with that kind of set up, you would easily hit 30psi with a stock turbo that way, but hey, what do I know, we are all newbies here anyway…
I would say that it’s total madness to drive with that kind of set up, you would easily hit 30psi with a stock turbo that way, but hey, what do I know, we are all newbies here anyway…
BTW i didnt say " that we all are newbies ".
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