grinding 1st gear
Oct 23, 2004, 09:22 AM
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I have the same problem. When I auto-X I double clutch and that does solve it. I have no idea why it doesn't for you. Practice on a deserted street at slow speeds .
Do a search as this has been a post in the past. Try the motorsports section if you come up empty here.
Sometimes in the heat of battle I foget & downshift at 25 mph & it pops right in, no grinding, while other times, like you, lots of noise @ 2 mph.
Do a search as this has been a post in the past. Try the motorsports section if you come up empty here.
Sometimes in the heat of battle I foget & downshift at 25 mph & it pops right in, no grinding, while other times, like you, lots of noise @ 2 mph.
Oct 23, 2004, 08:38 PM
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Not using first is an UNACCEPTABLE answer.
I must be unfamiliar with Autocrossing to the extent of not realizing you need to USE first when on the track...
I could be wrong.
I still say not to use first gear in this ALL Wheel Drive car..
Which could be the difference and reason why first is tough in the first place! The clutch and overall shift actions does act differently than the BMW rear drive setups!!
Oct 23, 2004, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by zmeli
Message: Here is the response to the inquiry I sent to Castrol USA about where to get Castrol TAF-X in the USA: "Castrol TAF-X 75W-90 GL-4 gear oil is made in the U.K. and sold only in Europe. However, the equivalent in the U.S. is Syntorq LT. Having said that, Syntorq LT SAE 75W-85, API GL -4 is a premium high performance, synthetic gear lubricant for synchronized manual transmissions. The all new "clean slate" approach enables Syntorq LT to provide consistent performance and durability under the most severe operating conditions due to its unique polymer free formula. It has been designed primarily as a problem solving gear lubricant for manual transmissions to provide reduced gearshift effort at low temperatures. Syntorq LT is available through General Motors (Part #12346190) and Chrysler (Part #4637579) dealerships. Please contact your local dealership." Try some of this. gmpartsdirect.com sells it I had grinding between 1st/2nd when cold this will take care of this problem.
never mind looks like driver error.
never mind looks like driver error.
i will be purchasing that stuff this week! i called GM, $25 a quart
it's either that or order from Europe, right?
Oct 23, 2004, 09:05 PM
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I agree also. First gear is for starting off and only starting off. My Evo, like all my other cars, does not like to be shifted into first unless at a stop. I have been known to double declutch on the rare occasion to find first gear but always at slow speeds and usually in stop and go traffic.
I have a suggestion. Instead of dropping to 1st in slow corners, try leaving the car in 2nd and left foot brake while modulating the gas. This, although a fairly advanced technique that will take practice, will maintain boost and allow for an excellent launch from the corner. This will also reduce the number of shifts you will be making and save time.
The real irony in your complaint is that you are *****ing to Mitsubishi about something that is only a problem in an auto cross. Auto crossing, in Mitsubishi’s eyes, would void your warrantee, which would mean they wouldn’t have to fix it. Mitsubishi shouldn’t have to fix it anyway as it is not really a problem.
I have a suggestion. Instead of dropping to 1st in slow corners, try leaving the car in 2nd and left foot brake while modulating the gas. This, although a fairly advanced technique that will take practice, will maintain boost and allow for an excellent launch from the corner. This will also reduce the number of shifts you will be making and save time.
The real irony in your complaint is that you are *****ing to Mitsubishi about something that is only a problem in an auto cross. Auto crossing, in Mitsubishi’s eyes, would void your warrantee, which would mean they wouldn’t have to fix it. Mitsubishi shouldn’t have to fix it anyway as it is not really a problem.
Oct 24, 2004, 08:12 AM
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I'm able to shift into 1st at 20mph 
. I don't force it in but press the clutch all the way and with slight pressure slip it into 1st. But, I don't recommend it since you'll hear the syncros working hard to catch up to speed and there is really no need to downshift to 1st at those speeds anyway.
I usually slip into first when I'm going about 5mph with no problem and I have 23K miles so far (I am using Redline MT-90 though for 18K miles).
. I don't force it in but press the clutch all the way and with slight pressure slip it into 1st. But, I don't recommend it since you'll hear the syncros working hard to catch up to speed and there is really no need to downshift to 1st at those speeds anyway. I usually slip into first when I'm going about 5mph with no problem and I have 23K miles so far (I am using Redline MT-90 though for 18K miles).
Oct 24, 2004, 12:41 PM
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thanks. we'll see what the dlr says, if they say i'm crazy then i'll change the fluid.
BUT...why are there "first gear corners" then? Are you supposed to stop first??
(for instance stock rally classes....as an example)
again, my apologies for being sarcastic, but i didnt buy my car to keep it clean in a garage.
once i find out what my tire diameter is i'll post some speed-in-gear examples for y'all
thanks for the input.
BUT...why are there "first gear corners" then? Are you supposed to stop first??
(for instance stock rally classes....as an example)
again, my apologies for being sarcastic, but i didnt buy my car to keep it clean in a garage.
once i find out what my tire diameter is i'll post some speed-in-gear examples for y'all
thanks for the input.
Oct 24, 2004, 01:25 PM
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Your Not Supposed to Downshift into First!. Its mearly a From a Stop Gear. Downshifting into first while still moving, Will cause your first gear to go bad.. I learned this when I was 16.....
Oct 24, 2004, 01:33 PM
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i think if you double clutch it's fine or whatever your method is to do it nicely. get it in there smoothly and nothing will break. it's like downshifting into ANY gear as long as it's smooth, frictionless, and solid, no? doesn't feel like i'm hurting it when it's done properly.
Oct 24, 2004, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by m3charles
thanks. we'll see what the dlr says, if they say i'm crazy then i'll change the fluid.
BUT...why are there "first gear corners" then? Are you supposed to stop first??
(for instance stock rally classes....as an example)
again, my apologies for being sarcastic, but i didnt buy my car to keep it clean in a garage.
once i find out what my tire diameter is i'll post some speed-in-gear examples for y'all
thanks for the input.
BUT...why are there "first gear corners" then? Are you supposed to stop first??
(for instance stock rally classes....as an example)
again, my apologies for being sarcastic, but i didnt buy my car to keep it clean in a garage.
once i find out what my tire diameter is i'll post some speed-in-gear examples for y'all
thanks for the input.
It is ridiculous for you to pester the dealership with something that is not a problem.
Oct 25, 2004, 04:54 AM
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It's ridiculous that ya can't shift into 1st. Every auto-x I go to has 1st gear corners and every car there, including the lowly Neon, pops it into first with no trouble. I auto-x'd a Miata for 10 years & had no problems, and the car suffered no adverse effects. It's one of the design flaws in the Evo's generally weak transmission. Of course we could putt-putt around, but if we wanted to drive like little old ladies we would have bought Buicks, not Evo's.
Oct 25, 2004, 07:26 AM
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Check your engine, tranny, diff and driveshaft mounts. If they're worn or just tired, it will be harder to shift.
But good points to consider on a higher mile car..
It would be good to hear from those that have autocrossed the EVO a lot on this first gear issue..
See if they are in fact using first gear and perhaps have some advise/input!!
This is prolly who M3Charles wanted to hear from in the 1st place..I think..
Not us "experts"..
Oct 25, 2004, 07:31 AM
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It would be interesting to start a poll to see how many people are using 1st gear while auto crossing and if they are getting a grind if and when they do.
Sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted. Good luck.
Sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted. Good luck.
