again, someone makes my day at 6AM .... you are funny go back to your DSM world.

 

You may want to recheck those ratings. The small 16G is rated at 490cfm at 22psi, the large 16g at 520cfm at 22psi

 

I dont know where you are getting your ratings. The small 16g rated 490 or 505? Who cares thats close enough in my book. There are however two differnt big 16g's and your quote of 520 is likely quite low for either one.. The evo 16g is making the same whp numbers as dsm do with the 20g. And the 20g has always been rated at 650cfm. The blade area on an evo16g is identical to the blade area on a 20g wheel. The difference being the hub was shrunk down on the evo16g to make it spool quicker. The overall diameter shrunk with it , so the 20g can flow a bit more cause the inlet is larger.

 

I come here to gain and share knowledge. The dsm uses the same egine as an evo less minors improvements that are completely void once modded. Why dont you go back to sleep instead of posting useless insults?

 

your knowledge is invalid and you are refusing to see the truth. the stock turbo WILL NOT HIT 450WHP. we have had 3 best tuners on this thread saying NO. What makes you think that you can? is it your DSM?

 

Doesnt the Evo engine have forged internals (cast pistons), and a different head (different gas valves), and different cams over the "normal" 4G found in DSMs? Just curious, but are there some dyno sheets or pictures that we can take of look at that you've done showing how far the 16G will go? thx

 

Okay I am not done. "compressor dont mean diddly"

heres what been mated to the tdo5 7cm Identical exhaust side. and typically what they maxed out at with no NOS.

small 16g 340whp
17c 355whp
big 16g (different wheel than evo16) 380whp
18g 380whp
19c 370whp
20g 400 whp
evo16 400whp

So shiv, how is it the compressor dont mean squat?

 

Your the one who is just following what the tuner icons are saying. You are not accepting the knowledge I am sharing. The small 16g has already made 450whp a and it is a much less capable turo than a evo16g. With the use of NOS the EVO 16 can likely make closer to 500whp.

The original question was whether the evo 16g can make 450whp. It comes from the fact that it takes 450whp+ to move a 3300lb car down the quarter at 124.4 mph. The hp calculators say curt browns car has 480whp. And he has the stock turbo.

So is it possible. clearly yes. mark and shiv need to correct their misleading statements. no biggie really.

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I am not refusing or even following anyone... in fact I was one of the first people in this thread (look at first page) that I said nope. Now let’s imagine and dream for one sec that the stock turbo can do 450 or even 480WHP like you are saying. Do you really want to run your car at the last breath and on the edge of blowing your turbo and your car for one run? If you have the money and the time go head and do it and let us know... We are all waiting for your results.

 

how often is shiv humble enough to grace and post on these forums?

 

I'm not interested in seeing or participating in a pissing match over speculation.

Not one person in this discussion knows the actual weight of the car and its driver. Not one. The owner guessed the car at 100lbs less, and he may be off considerably for all anyone knows (it has lighter wheels, rotors, and things removed). Guessing at the weight and hp numbers is purely that...guesswork.

Anyone can add N2O and get more power (e.g. 450whp), but that isn't relevent to this discussion.

Furthermore, it should be noted for the benefit of aspiring newbies, et al, that all these elevated power levels are strictly obtained with race fuel, such as C16, which yields more power per mass unit. Unless you can ride around using a map dedicated to a fuel that costs $7-9/gallon, it's pie in the sky.

Let's assume for a hypothetical minute that we find a dyno that will gift us with a reading of 450whp with the factory turbo. Will it be usable and reliable on a real world basis? No. FWIW, the car in question is pinging audibly as it runs on the verge of destruction, so it shouldn't be expected to last long regardless of what power it's making.

So go ahead and spend your time arguing over speculative numbers, calculations and figures. If 'John Doe Newbie' asks, "But can I make 450whp on the stock turbo?", even if the answer could possibly be "yes" from a theoretical P.O.V., in the real world, where 99% of these cars are not dedicated to being swiss-cheesed and running on the ragged edge of destruction at a drag strip, the answer is effectively "No".

 

I cant agree more, I need to work on my english

 

Here is the thing. Any respected tuner is not going to run a customers car to the complete edge of failure to reach the 450whp mark with a stock turbo. It might do it by throwing everything at it but it's not worth it nor reliable.

 

I dont want to get into a pissing match at all.All the info given on one certain persons car on here is that Yes,it can be done,safely,No way,street driven daily,no,but the title of the thread only asks and I quote "is 450whp possible with stock turbo? ",It did not ask anything more.Has curts car been on the dyno to prove it,I dont know,but I can tell you is that it takes that kind of power to go 122mph+ for a 3350# car and driver,no matter what his 60' time was.

 

Fine, but you can't tell me the actual weight of his car, which has been subjected to weight reduction measures, and therefore the point is moot.