Scavenging is a significant factor in a N/A application. Having a hairdryer relentlessly jamming air into your engine will help hide or reduce some of the negative effects from a poor design, whether it be intake, exhaust, port work, etc.... That doesn't mean that these downfalls magically go away however.

Here is an analogy for ya...
I once put White Out on a white wheel to hide an ugly scratch. Did the scratch go away?

Wingless, it isn't a brutal business. Falsely using the lastest catchy and bling words to hype a product puts a $hit taste in my mouth. I try to call things as I see them. Hopefully someone who reads this will be able to make up there own mind on a manifold and not be swayed by the BS that is flying around like snowflakes in a blizzard. To be honest my first dealing with Buschur back in '98 or so has given me this attitude. Before I knew much about these cars they gave it to me straight up, whether I liked it or not, and would always steer me in the right direction if I swayed by some BS marketing that i read online.

Altrix99, Like Keith said he picked up 4mph and if I remember correctly the car is 3100lbs. Benchracing one of my HP calculators tells me that comes out to be 50-60hp. So yes, a well designed tubular manifold can potentially see gains over a cast piece. Then again, it is entirely possible to design a cast piece that can flow the same as a tubular unit. It all depends on how much money you have for the tooling to build the product.

 

Mr. Shearer good info!... and good to see passion about thier products from all vendors.

I'm here at work trying to make the $, to do my part and buy some of these fine wares!

 

I have the DNP header and i just received it back from CRIO & i also had it done by HPC which is a hich ceramic coating ( Very Expensive ). I would look into Crio so the stress on the headers is not as bad.

 

I dont mind your opinions but if youre going to give **** to another shop be sure product is worth something. I saw one of your manifolds yesterday and it wasnt bad but the welding was far from being clean and the inside area near the flange was pretty far off. RNR has a clean manifold and so far has worked well for me in the past 8 months. The quality is undeniably one of the best Ive seen on a manifold.

 

I think Jason Hunt went 9.5 at one point last year. He'll be going a lot faster than that this year, since he'll be driving a profwd saturn.

 

The manifold you saw is much different than the one he makes for us. Ours is equal length.

Mark
Turbotrix

 

I think you guys are missing the point Ron is trying to make. The point is that if you are going to advertise your manifold as equal length then it should be equal length. A manifold that is "as close as it is going to get in the stock location" is not equal length. Its not called an all the runners are close manifold, its called an equal length manifold.

Keith

 

Sam the header you saw was a prototype, done in a very short lead time and then repaired when the origonal Wastegate flange location proved almost imposible to plumb the dump tube from. It was also for a specific design requirement to prove an idea on the roadcourse. When you were here I told you that. Prototypes are put together quickly to prove a design idea and then the production parts are cleaned up and time is spent to make everything pretty. The manifold works and fits better than ANY of the 6 manifolds I have had on my car. (i.e. it's the only one where I can get the manifold off without pulling the cooling system) try that with your stock turbo or any other aftermarket kit. Did I say...thats manifold/turbo35R/o2housing. oh and my radiator has a 57 mm core (twice as thick as stock). Please lighten up, you have a nice manifold too, promote that and its other benifits and let the people make their choices.. don't hammer on someone who helps us racing test pilots get parts that work and prove it at the track.

PS thos Phat fenders on the car yet???

 

Amen. Ever since Ive started working at the company I'm with now, I now more than ever believe faithfully in this attitude. You can't appreciate how much time is put into non-stop, even sometimes redundent efforts to properly design, engineer, build, and continue to improve on a product, until you see someone else slap something together as fast as they can to be one of the first out on the market. They build the products fast, sell them cheaper, and claim to be the best.

Unfortunatly the average buyer cannot tell the differnce or fails to do the proper research to find out. Id say %75 look at some pictures and decide on price, %15 start to do the research but get swayed by someone, and %10 research deep enough to uncover the truths and make very educated decisions.

Eric #1s job at selling turbo kits is very easy. He doesnt have to sell them. He explains why the price is what it is, explains the history of the development of the kit, the knowledge and experience behind the people who designed it, and lets the person think about it. The ones who call that want the best with an open mind usually make the right decision.

I've never met Shearer but I like the way he thinks. Ron you need to take a little trip to Chicago and get some pizza and beer with the boys one weekend here soon.

 

Let me repeat this. Our manifold is a equal length long runner design. Our manifolds are made by hand and it's impossible to get everyone exactly the same. What you get with our manifolds is the best of the best. It won't crack and comes with a lifetime warranty. It performs as advertised and makes the power.



I have seen some of these other so called "equal length headers" crack in several places. We have never had one crack, ever. Been building these style headers for 3 years. They work like they are suppost to.



Shearer, several people have seen your manifolds now. It doesn't compare is quality or design. At least this is what I have been told from about 4-5 different people. 3 of them don't even have our kit or have any interest in it.

 

Shearer, how do you know if our manifold is equal length? By looking at it with your eye over the internet. Have you tested it or even seen one?

Also how do you know your manifold is equal length? I would like to hear how you know everyone is equal length before it leaves. I know our manifolds are measured,tested, jigged before assembly. I find it immpossible to make any 100% exactly the same when it is made by hand.

 

Man....who cares if its a few MM shorter. It looks hot as hell, flawless build quality, and looks pretty much as equal length as you can get.

Stop trying to defame a company just because you feel like causing a lil drama.

 

I wasnt hammering on them Robi. It just seemed that they were hammering a bit much on Ryan. Seems like many of these competitors are getting a little touchy and Ryan seems to get the *** end of it. Hes just trying to market his parts and it seems as soon as that happens too many people have to jump in and give him a hard time. Im sure the manifold you had works great but it doesnt give shearer the right to jump on RNR. If RNRs parts are crap people will know but as far as I am concerned the manifolds are top notch. Oops I was logged in as someone else. Sorry John.

 

Anyone that has seen our products know they are TOPS in the industry. We build and manufacture everything in house. Everything is built and welded by hand. We will continue to build the best products available in 2005.

 

Is there a version of RnR equal length manifold for internal wasgate use? Also the manifold by design comes up a little near and very close to the valve cover, would this cause the rubber gasket seal harden up and leak because of the heat?