You guys are absolutely dreaming if you think an Ultimate Evo would have a chance of winning outright. What's the best 1/4 time for a PUMP gas evo? If I recall, Lingenfelter's Vette trapped around 140mph, on PUMP gas. Name one Evo 8 that can do that? If you could get the Evo to trap at those speeds, what are you gonna do with all that lag around the road course?

What would be best is the Budget build to showcase what your typical, modded Evo would do, and how it stacks up against the best in the world.

If you absolutely want to spend money, spend that money on making the car lighter. A 400 whp Evo weighing under 2800 lbs would be devastating around the infield.

 

The C&D challenge is for the big-dog, premier tuners in the US, period. Build an all-out Evo with objective of competing for the win. I guaratee you that even a "high-dollar" evo with all the exotic parts you can throw at it: stroker crank, rods, pistons, head-work, big turbo....will still be among the cheapest, if not the cheapest in the test. Do not neglect the handling also, invest in high-end coilovers with custom spring rates setup by someone who knows what they are doing. And get a talented driver! Good luck.

 

i wish you the best of luck but i am one of the few that voted for the budget build... i dont know about these guys but i have very little to put into my car after payments and insurance. I would like to see just what you guys can do on a budget. Im almost positive you could win out right with an unlimited budget. Basically i guess go ***** to the wall everyone else will... Its very interesting you as a company even thought to come down to the level of people like me.... Perhaps this marketing stand point has me wanting to shop even more with buschur racing even more so than many other companies... Due to the fact im guessing you guys came from the gutter way back? worked up yo what you are now. And i guess you havent forgot what its like.... Good job and best of luck

 

This is the "Superfour/Superflea" Challenge. Not the Big Show this year. But it will take some big $$ to win this year

 

Thank you guys for all the input so far.

To clarify a few things. I am at this point one of the only 3 votes for budget built EVO I am loosing pretty bad at this point.

I have the best driver I know. Even he admits there are better drivers, but I don't know them and want to keep THIS TEAM all Buschur. Robert Fuller is a California Buschur Racing sponsored EVO. He is coming in to set up the car a month or so before the event and do some testing and then he is coming back to drive for us at the event. I have a ton of confidence in him doing extremely well in this. When he makes it here to cast his vote his will be for the all out build and is on my butt daily about it!

I believe if the car is setup properly the road course is going to be a place to make up for a ton of time. Proper set up, proper driver is going to get some serious ET advantage there. I am banking on this. The 1/4 mile while one driver could make a big difference there I believe on a smaller turbo'd car driver is less critical. Put a large turbo on the car and the added lag you better have a drag racer behind the wheel. High RPM launch and powershifting the hell out of it. Especially with a power limiting 93 octane fuel being required. Maybe I could run 11.5 for example, maybe Robert would only run 12.0, but in the road course I'd run over cones and spin. Easy trade off to consider. Top speed, getting to 150 mph is easy for either of us, BUT braking from 150 to 0 is for a road racer, he is going to shine there also. When I stop from 150 mph I pull the parachute, wait a minute, there is nothing in the rules saying we can't use a parachute............

I think some actual road testing is going to be in order for the car, beyond the dyno testing and development we have been doing.

I agree, a 2800 pound EVO with 400 whp would be an *** kicker and that is the frame of mind I am in. Problem is 2800 pounds is not possible, especially with driver. Robert and myself are both over 200 pounds. How's the diet coming Robert? I think at the very best we can tip the scales with driver at 3100 pounds. This is going to be pushing it. I refuse to remove the airbags, heater, cut door beams etc. In all reality this does have to be something a reader/customer can duplicate in his daily driver and this is something Car and Driver makes clear.

I would really like to see and would have liked to see some type of fuel testing done in the past. I have heard many rumors about cars showing up with full tanks or not using much fuel during the competitions. Some of the times that have been run in the past are just unbelievable on 93 octane. Granted, take a big V8 engine on 93 and you can make some crazy horsepower. Hell, my old basically stock LS1 Firebird will run 12.1's at 114 mph on 94 octane all day long.

Thanks again for the input.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

David @ Vishnu,

You guys got an invite, are you bringing a car?

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

Dave ... I say go ***** to the wall. All the other builders are bringing it on. Good luck to you and yours.

 

Like it or not, most C and D readers are going to be more impressed by a fast, daily driveable, understated corvette killer... Lat time they dd this, not one car beat the stock LS6 powered Z06. Now, you're probably going to compete against that LS7 monster if it's available by then. At least, I'll bet that's what they do for a "price comparison" (at least it is $70,000+ for the new Z06-- you guys would destroy that thing if you spent that much money on an Evo). I doubt the wine and cheese crowd will go for a loud, obnoxious, barely streetable econobox...

However, I'd lie like a dog, say your building a low-buck street machine and show up with a monster expecting to flat out trounce people. (this ain't gonna be easy if the Vishnu team pulls the stops too).

Regardless, I'm pretty fired up about it. I hope you guys and shiv come since interest in the Evo is going to be the lifeblood of a strong aftermarket in the coming years and I plan to keep mine for some time. Thank you C and D!

 

I feel you should go all out and win the event. Because like the others said, You don't remember #2.
You win the event, then you can offer the different levels of tune for the consumers. All out $50k plus Monster or mix and match with less money. So it's a win/win situation!

 

Dave,

I think that you're beating around the bush(no pun intended) with your point. What is it that you really want to achieve? Do you want more business to come your way?(looks like that's obviously what you want at this point). Do you want to establish yourself as a top notch tuner? Consider your target audience/demographics and go from there....and stick with one plan....don't try to do to much at once. Even if you win that does not necessarily mean much.....you could be considered a one hit wonder....or let's say that you do win over more people if you place first. That doesn't mean business will necessarily increase. I watch F1 all the time but I still haven't bought a Ferrari just yet. I wish you lots of luck in your future business endeavours and remember to stick with one plan.

 

Go all out! We know what the basic build mods will do. Lets see what kind of monster Buschur racing can create.

 

He is asking both customers and non-customers which they would prefer to see at this competition.

Buschur has been around tooooooo long to be considered a one hit wonder.

If english is too hard for you to understand maybe you shouldn't be responding to questions you don't understand.

 

Yep... just another 4 cylinder

cheers,
shiv

 

David,
If you can win, just win. The evo is a superb all around performer, and if you have the chance to be number one I say go for it. I go back to the days when I raced a turbo gs eclipse (1st gen) when I was part of the mitsubishi diamond star owners group (mdsog) when you and Greg Dirocco were the first into the 11's with a diamondstar. I wish you the best and can only hope you prove us evo owners proud. I say do whatever it takes and build the fastest damn thing you can; we all know you can do it just murder the competition!!!!! BTW I think a properly set up evo could compete with many of the "big dogs". Kick *** and take names, don't let anybody come close to your overall time and screw the budget.
Stay safe,
Punisher

 

dude....you're missing the point....Dave wants to compete for a reason. This is not just another pissing contest to see who can **** the farthest...he wants something....


....and about being in the business for too long......well that depends who you talk to....that's why I mentioned about target audience......this company(Kongo Gumi) has been in business for more than 40 generations but I bet you haven't heard about it.