Bumped- Mark from Turbo Tricks Also..

 

Brad Brooks tuned my car with alky injection. He has tuned 100 or so cars with the AEM. When he was finished with my car he said, " I felt like I was tuning a car on c-16...Actually it was even better, more forgiving!" That week when he returned home he ordered six kits for his car and his friends cars.

Does that say anything about how good this stuff is?

 

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Who is he, and what kit does he have? info?

 

nice numbers Al!!! I'm looking to get 350whp daily driver with cams, cam gears, fuel pump, and a custom tune. But the more im reading about these Alcohol kits im wondering if adding a alchohol kit would would make make everything safer. please tell give me your input.

one other question is replaceing the hotside worth the trouble or should i just stick with the cams and alchohol kit?

thanks mike

 

The 10.5 hotside is a grea mod as are the GSC cams. The alcohol gives you a much smoother and knock free tune and loads of tq down low - all 3 is a great combo and an easy 350 to the wheels

 

You are arguing semantics now...

Alcohol is an oxygenate. Adding alcohol to gasoline oxygenates the fuel. That fuel is said to be oxygenated.

 

This isn't semantics....nitro is oxygenated. Are you saying water is Oxygenated now too?

Jason.

 

Like hydrogen peroxide

Jason, this is a endless battle. If they see anything that has a molecule of oxygen in it they will assume it must be "oxygenated". I think a good organic chemistry class in order.

 

water is not oxygenated by nature, although it can be. An example of oxygenates are fuel additives (like alcohols and ethers) that have been infused with oxygen. Additionally when you add them to fuel, that fuel is said to be oxygenated.

Oxygenate: (?), v. t. (Chem.) To unite, or cause to combine, with oxygen; to treat with oxygen; to oxidize, as oxygenated water (hydrogen dioxide)

in the case of methane or ethane, they are treated with oxygen to make them methanol and ethanol, they are then oxygenated.

At least that's my understanding of it, I'm not a chemist btw. I don't think alcohol has anywhere near the level of "oxygenated" effects of N20 though, if that makes you feel any better.

 

Oxygen is added to hydrogen to make water as well. Alot of things have oxygen in them, that is part of their make up. Alchohol has half the BTU's as gasoline....I.E. to make the same energy, it requires twice the mass. An oxygenated fuel such as Nitro is effectively adding more than the standard 20.8% oxygen found in the air, similar to boosting an engine by doubling the pressure you essentially double the displacement. Methanol/Alcohol has no similar effects, it's primary benefits are performance octane and cooling.

Jason.

 

I agree it's primary benefits are octane and cooling, and that's where the most power will be made. But the fact is, the addition of methanol creates an oxygenated fuel, whether or not there is enough oxygen present to make a noticable increase in power (like N20) is another thing, but that mixture does contain more oxygen than it would have without the added methanol. Personally, I don't think the small amount of added oxygen will make that much of a difference, but it's still a good thing.

 

No need in getting bogged down in semantics.

"Oxygenated" refers to purposely adding a compound to fuel whereby it is assumed that the oxygen present in that compound will react with hydrocarbon pursuant to cleaner combustion and fewer emissions, nothing more. Methanol is a cleaner (read: more efficient) burning fuel.

Water is technically 'oxygenated' but this is of no significance, as the oxygen in water does not participate in the reaction of combustion. Water exits the tailpipe chemically unchanged.

 

This makes sense, so really there is no added O2 in the combustion chamber when adding alcohol or water (even though they are oxygenated). In contrast to nitrous oxide, which when heated sufficiently, decomposes exothermically to N2 and O2, thus giving a kick in the *** increase in power.

 

I wouldn't group alcohol and water together. With methanol, I don't know how much free oxygen becomes available, although with water, it's none. Nitrous is a different realm altogether.

In any case, any time we can put more free oxygen into the combustion chamber, power potential is increased. I say potential because there is no increased power unless there is sufficient hydrocarbon present. If there is an excess of free oxygen and no available hydrocarbon, the mixture runs lean, the engine blows up and everyone cries.