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Old May 10, 2005, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 03BREvo8
ive read that sunoco is comming out with a 114unleaded..
I seriously don't think that's possible. There aren't more than a handful of usable fuels with even a RON of 114. Sunoco and VP have a 105 but they need almost 5% O2 from MTBE to do it. When you run high levels of aromatics (like toluene) and oxygenates (alcohols and ethers) the vapor pressure profile gets all screwed up. Though that's less of a problem for fuel injection you may still wind up needing a 1500rpm idle!

MMT is definately not going to do it here, it has no effect once your base stock RON is over 110.

Looking at the layer of soot in my brand new tail pipe from one trip to Nelson Ledges I can't believe my cat can have much chance of working anyway, so if you're serious about speed lose the kitty, keep a few O2 sensors in stock, and run C16!

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Originally Posted by djh
They may say that, but it ain't gonna happen. That would require a concentration of almost 1g of manganese per litre of gas under the best assumptions. And no matter who's bottle you buy, all the MMT in the world comes from Ethyl Corp. of Richmond, Virginia. But if Torco is the cheapest it's probably not a bad way of goosing your octane as a safety factor. Nothing's going to beat real race gas for consistent, safe performance, and even at Mid-Ohio GT100 is $5.25/gal and leaded 112 isn't much more.

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Exactly, I believe that. I just states that on the can but like i said above. 105 unleaded vp is better. But for the money you can't beat it if you want to run a better tune.
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Originally Posted by djh
I seriously don't think that's possible. There aren't more than a handful of usable fuels with even a RON of 114. Sunoco and VP have a 105 but they need almost 5% O2 from MTBE to do it. When you run high levels of aromatics (like toluene) and oxygenates (alcohols and ethers) the vapor pressure profile gets all screwed up. Though that's less of a problem for fuel injection you may still wind up needing a 1500rpm idle!

MMT is definately not going to do it here, it has no effect once your base stock RON is over 110.

Looking at the layer of soot in my brand new tail pipe from one trip to Nelson Ledges I can't believe my cat can have much chance of working anyway, so if you're serious about speed lose the kitty, keep a few O2 sensors in stock, and run C16!

Dave
The highest unleaded race fuel I know off is the TORCO MACH108. They will make it if you ask for it, they dont stock it because of the lack in demand obviously. Has a ron+mon/2=108.
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Where do you peeps buy your VP fuels...
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That Nos stuff actually works well Tested on Project Gallant Vr4 in turbo mag, worked well.
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Sweet i think ill save it for a nice summer track day...
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Any idea how it works with 100 oct
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Question for the guys using Torco, what psi are you guys running? Is it safe to raise boost to about 23-24 psi with this stuff? If you were to run race gas, you can crank the boost up right? So can you crank up the boost with Torco? I'm currently running Torco too but only at 22 psi settling down to 20-21 psi. I'm temped to crank it up just a bit. My car was tuned for 11.0 a/f @ WOT.
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I'm a definite believer in torco as well. Take a look at my post from December. Torco is the only octane booster that I've seen independently tested...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...83#post1518783
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Originally Posted by 03BREvo8
Any idea how it works with 100 oct
MMT (TEL, too) is less effective when you start with a higher octane gas, especially one with a high aromatic content. Unleaded 100 is about 50% aromatics to begin with.

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