installed my XSPower intercooler this week
Nov 13, 2006, 03:23 PM
#136
Originally Posted by Stealth Ag
I didnt take those pics....i found them while searching on Evom.....so the angle/distance/light quality isnt my fault
XS Power....12 fins per row
AMS.......17fins per row
So probably some better cooling going on there, flow is negotiable.
As for wether or not you need an FMIC upgrade...just like everything else on the evo, you dont need it....but if you want it, your gonna buy it.
Now the question....5-fins per row worth $500 more?
The endtanks are the same, the bar height is the same, the only difference besides weld quality (which is subjective) seems to be the fin density& spacing
XS Power....12 fins per row
AMS.......17fins per row
So probably some better cooling going on there, flow is negotiable.
As for wether or not you need an FMIC upgrade...just like everything else on the evo, you dont need it....but if you want it, your gonna buy it.
Now the question....5-fins per row worth $500 more?
The endtanks are the same, the bar height is the same, the only difference besides weld quality (which is subjective) seems to be the fin density& spacing
Nov 13, 2006, 04:21 PM
#137
Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
I resized the images a bit, and brightened the XS shot...see for yourself!
The AMS core:
Then XS power core:
Looks to me that the AMS core definitely has a higher fin count.
Also keep in mind what was said above by Mitsuorder, the bar sizes are different between the two cores.
The AMS core:
Then XS power core:
Looks to me that the AMS core definitely has a higher fin count.
Also keep in mind what was said above by Mitsuorder, the bar sizes are different between the two cores.
Nov 14, 2006, 10:31 AM
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The internal fins appear totally different, that's what is going to determine how good the core is. In short, fin configuration is counted per inch, not row. The AMS has a louvered bump fin and the XS Power appears to have a standard square fin with nothing to "turbulate" the charged air. The less exposure to heat exchanging elements, the less heat will be extracted from the charged air. The XS Power could also have a split internal fin. We just need better photos.
Check out this tutorial by the folks at Nisei:
http://www.niseiengineering.com/imag...erTutorial.swf
They have a better intercooler out but the education part is still relevant.
Check out this tutorial by the folks at Nisei:
http://www.niseiengineering.com/imag...erTutorial.swf
They have a better intercooler out but the education part is still relevant.
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Nov 14, 2006, 06:53 PM
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Ok, I snapped some close up shots of my XSPower IC, looks good to me...
The AMS core: (same as posted above)
my XSPower core:
sorry for the huge size.
The AMS core: (same as posted above)
my XSPower core:
sorry for the huge size.
Nov 14, 2006, 07:53 PM
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My core looks like the one alwaysinboost just posted. Actually the xs power design looks to be superior to the ams core. The turbulators have more surface area where they attatch to the tubes. This allows better heat transfer. Also there aren't as many blocks on the ends, just more turbulators.
The downside to the e-bay core is the 2.5 in/outs are cast. They are thick so they wont flow as well as the ams core.
The downside to the e-bay core is the 2.5 in/outs are cast. They are thick so they wont flow as well as the ams core.
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:15 PM
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my endtanks are welded sheet metal. It looks like the in/outs are just 2.5" aluminum piping welded in. It probably has the same ID as any IC pipe.
I hope this puts the IC issue to rest but I don't think it will. some people just don't believe poop smells like poop until the smell it for themselfs.
I think its funny that AMS or any other IC vendor/manufactuer didn't post up any ACTUAL data stating why the XSPower is was crap and their IC was superior and worth the extra price. Instead they all just chose to bash the way it was constructed.
I hope this puts the IC issue to rest but I don't think it will. some people just don't believe poop smells like poop until the smell it for themselfs.
I think its funny that AMS or any other IC vendor/manufactuer didn't post up any ACTUAL data stating why the XSPower is was crap and their IC was superior and worth the extra price. Instead they all just chose to bash the way it was constructed.
Nov 15, 2006, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
my endtanks are welded sheet metal. It looks like the in/outs are just 2.5" aluminum piping welded in. It probably has the same ID as any IC pipe.
I hope this puts the IC issue to rest but I don't think it will. some people just don't believe poop smells like poop until the smell it for themselfs.
I think its funny that AMS or any other IC vendor/manufactuer didn't post up any ACTUAL data stating why the XSPower is was crap and their IC was superior and worth the extra price. Instead they all just chose to bash the way it was constructed.
I hope this puts the IC issue to rest but I don't think it will. some people just don't believe poop smells like poop until the smell it for themselfs.
I think its funny that AMS or any other IC vendor/manufactuer didn't post up any ACTUAL data stating why the XSPower is was crap and their IC was superior and worth the extra price. Instead they all just chose to bash the way it was constructed.
btw, the inside of my IC core looks like yours, not like the first picture someone posted.
Nov 21, 2006, 04:32 PM
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iirc someone told me Devo Tuning out here in Chicago did a comparison of the XSP and AMS intercooler and they turned out to be the same. But I don't have any 'proof' so that doesn't really help much I guess. I do know that Devo's shop cars use these and they make gobs of power with them.
Nov 21, 2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
took me about 3 hours yesterday for the install. it was pretty straight forward except you have to cut the under tray because the intercooler hangs about 2 inches lower than stock. the xspower intercooler is considerably heavier than stock, it weighs 25.5 lbs with the lower intercooler pipes. the stock was so light that my digital scale wouldn't register a reading but i guess it's between 5-10lbs. i paid $180 shipped for it on ebay, i've seen other lower intercooler pipes alone go for well over that price. i'll do some data loggin next week and compare the intake air temp with my previous data with the stock intercooler, and hook the wideband back on to see if the air fuel ratio changed any. enjoy the pics.
