TrinaBabe

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I also looked at your injector on logging and its very hard to tell anything from it but I am guessing you are running bigger than 850cc injectors. Running those injectors at 10% would be running it 21% more fuel than me at the same RPM range assuming the same base pressure. The reason I am assuming you are running much larger injectors than I am is because mine are at 98& open at 6,500 rpms. I am also running a 1:1 pressure regulator and have a somewhat normal base pressure. I obviously need to raise my pressure so I can run it at more boost or switch to larger injectors. Anyways, I would love to see your AFR if you could find a way to post it up as I am curious. I really wish the tuners of the world would let people post up thier timing and such, I dont understand why it is such a big deal anyways personally but oh well

One last quick thing, for EvoDave, you said your timing was at most something around 9 degrees (I cant remember and hate trying to look back after I started writing). What is the low, anti-lag uses low timing to work, not high timing. The simple way that "drag-style" anti lag works is by retarded the timing so much that the car actually ignites the fuel while the valves are opening (Exhaust valves) thus firing all the power straight into the exhaust (turbo). To make it a bigger bang and quicker spool usually people add a bunch of fuel to the fire. High timing will help it spool also but in a different way and wouldnt be enough to make the turbo spool much quicker than it normally would (Because most tuners run the highest timing possible without knock anyways).

Those are my thoughts at least.

And Ill talk with Nate and have him add your cars all to the graphs. I will also start one up for third gear pulls and hopefully I can get 60-90mph times for some of these cars also. Alot of people measure thier true acceleration with 60-90 (No tire spinning, shifting, etc to change the outcome).

evodave

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this is tuned for street driving and there is NO antilag or low timing. I just know that we were able to go from 15 or16 degrees to a high of 9 and make almost the same power after we patched up the motor. I will tell you how to measure power.... the back 1/8th mph gain...my car nearly gains and think has gained 32mph in the back 8th. oh btw i am running 880cc injectors and my a/f's are in the 10s ...10.7 or so at most.

robertrinaustin

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Tuners will never post their complete tune (if you have rpm, boost, fuel and timing, you got almost everything). This is how they make their living and would be giving away the knowledge they spent years developing.

Thanks to Trina, Nate, Dave and all the others that posted the logs for us to compare. I think if you like the way Dave's car spools, you should give Switzer a call and see what parts he recommends and possibly about setting up some time for a tune.

evodave

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i agree the tuning from switzer is amazing...but the combo of that and the slickmotorsports hard parts is a badaxx combo in my eyes.
Dave

DSMotorsport

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I should get on the ball and redo those graphs. I got to get my own 35r setup on there as well with graphs of the FP turbine housing and the PTE turbine housing.

lots of # typing to do, so little time.

I agree with Trina for the most part. All the 35R setups that I have looked at spooled just about the same. I don't belive it's the hard parts, manifold, or o2 housing making the differance. IMHO it's all in the fuel and timing tables, as well as mechanical setup of making sure no boost leaks. Everyone is running the same turbo, don't be fooled into thinking BR vs AMS vs Slick vs TTR's kit with the same turbo is going to spool significantly better. It's not. simple as that.

Thye point of the graphs was not to compare 35r to 35r setups, but to compare the differance between 35r to stock to 20g to gt3076 and the like. The original intent was to cut down on the bull**** myth from guys saying stuff like "my 35r kit spools like stock". Well if you consider "within 2000rpm" = "like stock" I guess so.


When I get this done with a bunch of 35r's together in the same gear, with the stock turbo on the graph too. your going to see most of the 35r's all lined up on top of each other. And the stock turbo way over there to the left.

TrinaBabe

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Well no.. the MPH gain in the back 1/8th is a bad way. It would be easy to judge two cars trapping the same MPH in the 1/8th but thats about it. Think about it... If I get a 84mph the first half and the second half get 121 trap speed. The gain is 37 but the car only trapped at 121. Where as assume a car gets a 100 1/8th but traps at 130 the gain is only 30 mph but I would guess the second car has more power.

My car at around 26-27psi gains anywhere from 28-32mph in the back half and is totally dependant on what my 1/8th mile is... so if my 1/8th miles is low I gain more MPH in the back half and visa versa. Thats why I like 60-90 You could also do trap speed but there are too many variables in it like shifting, the launch, etc... Better shifting and a better launch = more MPH. 60-90mph in third gear doesnt leave many variables aside from wieght.

TrinaBabe

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Is your 35r from your DSM by any chance? I have a friend that was wondering about the FP vs. 'normal' housing.

DSMotorsport

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yes, the 35r came off my talon, went into my evo with the pte bolt on housing (went 126mph). I swapped the ptehousing for FP, gained a scant 2mph with 2psi more boost and 10* less ambient. Id say the FP housing wasn't worth much at all.

Im pulling the whole 35r turbokit anyway and selling it. I want to do something else with the car, im going to autox with it for a while and dragrace my talon.

TrinaBabe

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The FP housing you have would be designed for a stock type manifold for a DSM than correct? If so send me a PM with some more details on it, I may have a proposition for you

kcevo

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bump

evodave

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not really sure on what the box is all about yet...its still in the works!

4ringturncoat

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In case you guys care here is the log of the gt3076r from BR. Max boost on the run was 22.08 so the 19.6x here is pretty much full boost. I also had the Greddy Type S running on the small spring and only 2 turns in. I had jsut started tuning with the SAFC and the ZT-2 so I thought based off my boost gauge I was running 25lbs, but in fact the boost guage was off by 3 pounds. This pull was 3rd gear and about 74 degree's @ 500' above sea level.

4ringturncoat

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Talk to me about selling that turbo! Is it close to the currrent version from BR?

4ringturncoat

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Here is the log:
4571 18.4 100
4571 17.9 100
4590 18.2 100
4645 18.5 100
4664 18.5 100
4683 18.4 100
4683 18.6 100
4683 18.6 100
4702 18.8 100
4721 18.9 100
4760 18.6 100
4760 18.4 100
4800 18.7 100
4820 18.9 100
4840 18.9 100
4820 19.1 100
4820 19.2 100
4861 18.7 100
4881 18.4 100
4902 19 100
4944 19.1 100
4966 18.9 100
4987 18.8 100
4987 19.2 100
4987 19.4 100
4987 19.3 100
4987 19.3 100
5031 19.6 100
5075 19.6 100
5120 19.5 100
5120 19.2 100
5097 19.7 100

evodave

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