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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
In this case, there doesn't seem to be any gain from the cam, though, since we've seen a IX already do 340whp/329wtq with 93oct on that same dyno tuned by the same guys (TopSpeed) and with the stock cat still in place...
I think the community here as a whole would be better off if you just unplugged your keyboard.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dohcvtec
I think the community here as a whole would be better off if you just unplugged your keyboard.
Wow dude, thats harsh, Warrtalon has/is doing a lot for this community is a real truth squad member (unlike some of those self proclaimed members).

Originally Posted by 3000ways
. I am just trying to figure out why numbers are lower than expected. I know that the two dynojets (Pruven and Top Speed) could read differently, but I didn't know they read that differently.
I think you just answered your own question

Originally Posted by SmokinJoe
Now - another exercise. Look at the 100ct map. Notice how much the torque drops off from peak?

Can anyone - besides Warrtalon explain why this is happening?
Because you are out of the efficiency range of the turbo ... basically limited by your turbo ... plus 272 help mid-range more and 280s help high-range ...
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
Wow dude, thats harsh, Warrtalon has/is doing a lot for this community is a real truth squad member (unlike some of those self proclaimed members).
Well he sure doesn't know what the hell he's talking about to be a member of this so called "truth squad". I'm just saying if people have some input to give, it might as well be useful. Peak power doesn't mean jack unless you're in some sort of dynoqueen contest. The car actually uses other parts of the power band. I don't know anyone who tunes just for peak power. It is useless for him to compare peak numbers when it doesn't tell the whole story. If this truth squad is out to spread the truth, why make such an easy misconception?

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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dohcvtec
I don't know anyone who tunes just for peak power.
Then you must (EDIT NOT be aware of 99% of America's "tooners".

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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
Because you are out of the efficiency range of the turbo ... basically limited by your turbo ... plus 272 help mid-range more and 280s help high-range ...

BINGO! Damn fine job. The stock turbo cant keep up and the torque falls flat after coming on full song around 4K.


Now, installing a 280 exh cam would make a nice comparo.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsurara
Then you must be aware of 99% of America's "tooners".
Do you mean I must not be aware of 99% of America's "tooners"? :P You're right, I should have phrased that different. I guess I don't want anyone "tooning" my car just for peak power.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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Very impressive numbers! Now Im just looking forward to an 03 owner like myself slapping on the Buschur EVO 9 20g to see how that goes. Im also wondering how well an 03 i/e cams, and similar mods to smokinjoe but with an evo 9 turbo bolted straight on would do with similar boost and tune.

We know so far that the IX has handles detonation better due to the coolant passages, along with the MIVEC head, but how much do those contribute exactly to the great numbers the IX is putting out?

Kenny
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dohcvtec
Do you mean I must not be aware of 99% of America's "tooners"? :P You're right, I should have phrased that different. I guess I don't want anyone "tooning" my car just for peak power.
Er, yeah. Oops!
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Kenny -

This might answer your question. The EGTs with no tune - rich OEM fuel maps - were HIGHER than with the tune and 26psi of boost.

The car now runs cooler.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokinJoe
Kenny -

This might answer your question. The EGTs with no tune - rich OEM fuel maps - were HIGHER than with the tune and 26psi of boost.

The car now runs cooler.
What EGTs where you running before and after? And what about on the street.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Interesting. Do you remember where the EGTs were at, before and after?

Kenny
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dohcvtec
I think the community here as a whole would be better off if you just unplugged your keyboard.
Right... How about reading the rest of my comments first, eh? Notice Smokin Joe already gave me credit for noticing more than the rest from the beginning. Of course, peak numbers aren't all that matters, but LESS peak certainly isn't what you'd expect when adding a cam. There isn't a lot of gain through the powerband either, but we can't do a direct comparison without the WinPep files...
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
There isn't a lot of gain through the powerband either, but we can't do a direct comparison without the WinPep files...

I'd have to disagree with you. How can you not see the gain after 5k rpms? Look at the first map.
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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Haha, so much for your credit eh Warrtalon?
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 04:21 PM
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this sounds like the setup i am going to want to go with minus the intake....


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