BLOWN Motor, Part 4 (Bottom End Pics!!!)
Apr 9, 2006, 07:52 PM
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No real updates yet guys. I'm busy working on getting a 2nd job to pay for the repairs, which will be in the form of performance parts, so I can get my 15,000 mile 2005 Evo back on the road. I'm pretty dissapointed with the lack of cooperation from Mitsubishi and that now I have to work 60+ hours per week to even be able to drive my 5 month old car.
Apr 10, 2006, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Stew
As of now the DMV is working on the case, but not sure what they can do. I'm getting the car back today and I've already been talking to a few engine builders.
..Not too happy that Sipriano (district rep) had me tear down the engine (at the dealer) for no apparent reason if he was just going to BS another random excuse. There goes $300.
..Not too happy that Sipriano (district rep) had me tear down the engine (at the dealer) for no apparent reason if he was just going to BS another random excuse. There goes $300.
Apr 21, 2006, 08:49 PM
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This is BS. That nut clearly lost it's torque and lossened it's way off the rod bolt.
That one nut caused all of the damage pictured, it's that simple.
Maybe the rod bolt did stretch, maybe it waas improperly torqued.
Some things to consider. The nut could stay on the rod long enough to make it to that mileage. I have seen engines make it to 15000 miles with never having an oil change. You take the filter off and the oil is a thick gel.
Answer this, if the bolt stretched then how did he over rev the engine?
I thought these cars have a rev limiter and the whole purpose of it is for the manufactuer to protect the engine from overreving. Just like the stationary revlimiter exists on that car.
Don't laydown to Mitsu on this, they are at fault 100% for this failure.
I will leave you this link you should read. This is from an industry expert.
http://www.carrilloind.com/pdfs/10777_eprint.pdf
That one nut caused all of the damage pictured, it's that simple.
Maybe the rod bolt did stretch, maybe it waas improperly torqued.
Some things to consider. The nut could stay on the rod long enough to make it to that mileage. I have seen engines make it to 15000 miles with never having an oil change. You take the filter off and the oil is a thick gel.
Answer this, if the bolt stretched then how did he over rev the engine?
I thought these cars have a rev limiter and the whole purpose of it is for the manufactuer to protect the engine from overreving. Just like the stationary revlimiter exists on that car.
Don't laydown to Mitsu on this, they are at fault 100% for this failure.
I will leave you this link you should read. This is from an industry expert.
http://www.carrilloind.com/pdfs/10777_eprint.pdf
Apr 21, 2006, 09:08 PM
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I see that you had a flash so the rev limiter was raised.
Here is another link to check out
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60128
Here is another link to check out
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60128
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Apr 21, 2006, 09:28 PM
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Oh and btw a nut laying the pan is irrefutable evidence of what failed.
Any trained technician or engine builder would agree that it was the cause of all the damage. The problem is you have the failure clearly identified. Mitsubishi on the other hand has no evidence that any mod caused this failure and cannot prove the rod bolt even stretched or more accurately over-stretched. I would definitely measure all the other bolts in the other rods to see what their length is. I have a stretch gauge and can tell you that even an ARP at ARP torque specs often times is not properly stretched and requires more torque to meet the stretch spec.
If you pursue this with Mitsu, I would be happy to testify if you are on the East Coast.
I have been certified before to act as an expert witness in the automotive field and I was the plaintiff! Lol
Like it is stated on SEMA website, get everything in writing from Mitsu. If the flag your warranty and deny all current and future claims you want that documented. They are not allowed to do this.
Oh here is some more info on SEMA’s site.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60127
Anyone who doesn’t know, SEMA drives all the fights against restrictive legislation in the aftermarket industry. They knock down more bills then get past in every state.
Any trained technician or engine builder would agree that it was the cause of all the damage. The problem is you have the failure clearly identified. Mitsubishi on the other hand has no evidence that any mod caused this failure and cannot prove the rod bolt even stretched or more accurately over-stretched. I would definitely measure all the other bolts in the other rods to see what their length is. I have a stretch gauge and can tell you that even an ARP at ARP torque specs often times is not properly stretched and requires more torque to meet the stretch spec.
If you pursue this with Mitsu, I would be happy to testify if you are on the East Coast.
I have been certified before to act as an expert witness in the automotive field and I was the plaintiff! Lol
Like it is stated on SEMA website, get everything in writing from Mitsu. If the flag your warranty and deny all current and future claims you want that documented. They are not allowed to do this.
Oh here is some more info on SEMA’s site.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60127
Anyone who doesn’t know, SEMA drives all the fights against restrictive legislation in the aftermarket industry. They knock down more bills then get past in every state.
Apr 22, 2006, 04:01 AM
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Don't EVOs have Electronic Data Recorders (EDR)? I read something to that extent in my IX manual.
Couldn't they just pull this data to see what the engine was doing before it went boom?
Sounds like an easy way for them to deny alot of warranties. On the other hand, it'll clear you of those over-reving accusations.
Good luck.
Tony
Couldn't they just pull this data to see what the engine was doing before it went boom?
Sounds like an easy way for them to deny alot of warranties. On the other hand, it'll clear you of those over-reving accusations.
Good luck.
Tony
Apr 25, 2006, 09:00 AM
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Thanks for all the info timzcat. I've been through most of the typical steps, dealer -> owner -> district rep -> state DMV -> and now I have a claim in with the better business bureau. I have contacted a state consumer protection agency (typically for lemon law) and they have informed me I may come in for a $200 consultation to review my case. I am going to get the warranty denial in writing and then most likely take it to the consumer protection lawyer for review. I might make a few phone calls to the FTC and some others in the mean time as well.
Oh, and I am on the east coast. I'm located in CT.
Oh, and I am on the east coast. I'm located in CT.
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