Results! 16G/HKS 280's vs. Buschur 20G-9/Revolvers
#61
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
evolutionary,
We have a Time Attack this weekend and have made the changes to the car that you and I spoke of concerning the surging. I will have an answer on Monday.
We have a Time Attack this weekend and have made the changes to the car that you and I spoke of concerning the surging. I will have an answer on Monday.
I'll be out kicking a$$ on the autocross course again this weekend
EVOlutionary
#63
UPDATE
Went in to Buschur's shop yesterday to get my 93+meth tune finished. All I can say is the results are even better than I expected!!
Base line - 23-24psi - ~290whp/320wtq
Now - 25psi - ~355whp and 365wtq on Bushur's Mustang dyno.
If David sees this hopefully he can throw up my dyno graph. I forgot to ask for a printout. Thanks David Buschur and Buschur Racing.
This thing now makes within 10-15 horsepower on 93+meth as it does on VP C16! The car is just nuts to drive.
I had a Mustang Cobra mess with me on my way home from the shop last night - perfect time to test out the new power!! We went to a local high speed race track facility to run them of course. I was following him at 80 when he stepped on it. By the time I realized what was going on and downshifted to 4th he was about 5-10 cars ahead of me. By the time I shifted to 5th I had matched his speed and started pulling on him. I passed him and was about 5 cars ahead when I realized I was already at 140.
-note, all testing was conducted on a closed course-
Dang - I was surprised!! 140 got there so fast! Each gear now pulls as hard as the next lower gear used to! 3rd feels like 2nd, 4th feels like 3rd, etc. It's awesome. Not to mention that I have over 360 ft.lb of torque available right at the RPMs you cruise on the highway at. Passing is effortless - the car really feels like a big V-8 (except louder and revs higher!). It hits full boost of 25psi under 2800 rpms in 5th gear.
Anyway, I'm extremely pleased with the new power. We just have a few more issues to work out and this thing will be perfect!!
EVOlutionary
Went in to Buschur's shop yesterday to get my 93+meth tune finished. All I can say is the results are even better than I expected!!
Base line - 23-24psi - ~290whp/320wtq
Now - 25psi - ~355whp and 365wtq on Bushur's Mustang dyno.
If David sees this hopefully he can throw up my dyno graph. I forgot to ask for a printout. Thanks David Buschur and Buschur Racing.
This thing now makes within 10-15 horsepower on 93+meth as it does on VP C16! The car is just nuts to drive.
I had a Mustang Cobra mess with me on my way home from the shop last night - perfect time to test out the new power!! We went to a local high speed race track facility to run them of course. I was following him at 80 when he stepped on it. By the time I realized what was going on and downshifted to 4th he was about 5-10 cars ahead of me. By the time I shifted to 5th I had matched his speed and started pulling on him. I passed him and was about 5 cars ahead when I realized I was already at 140.
-note, all testing was conducted on a closed course-
Dang - I was surprised!! 140 got there so fast! Each gear now pulls as hard as the next lower gear used to! 3rd feels like 2nd, 4th feels like 3rd, etc. It's awesome. Not to mention that I have over 360 ft.lb of torque available right at the RPMs you cruise on the highway at. Passing is effortless - the car really feels like a big V-8 (except louder and revs higher!). It hits full boost of 25psi under 2800 rpms in 5th gear.
Anyway, I'm extremely pleased with the new power. We just have a few more issues to work out and this thing will be perfect!!
EVOlutionary
#65
Almost. Stay tuned. Couple more things to try. I switched to the stock EVO8 BOV and that took care of the problem on my pump/meth map at 25psi, but as you know, there is no way that plastic thing will hold 29psi (what I run on race gas).
I also tried the EVO9 metal BOV. That made things alot better than with the Tial, but if I try I can still get it to surge in very specific situations. We spent about 3 hours trying fix it with EMS tuning to no avail.
Trent at Buschur's shop also has the 20G and is in the middle of testing one more thing that I think will fix it. I am also going to try a couple far out there tricks with the Tial to try to get it to work.
We should have more info soon.
EVOlutionary
I also tried the EVO9 metal BOV. That made things alot better than with the Tial, but if I try I can still get it to surge in very specific situations. We spent about 3 hours trying fix it with EMS tuning to no avail.
Trent at Buschur's shop also has the 20G and is in the middle of testing one more thing that I think will fix it. I am also going to try a couple far out there tricks with the Tial to try to get it to work.
We should have more info soon.
EVOlutionary
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Originally Posted by atlvalet
I heard one solution was to increase idle speed, since some reported stalling issues with the revolvers. I need to talk to some people, since hearsay on the Internet is just that. By people I mean Shiv, Alfred @ Tuning Tech, etc. because I am not changing my EM system just to run non-HKS cams.
Idle is great, with the A/c on or off.
Of course a/c on, idle speed was also adjusted.
#69
Originally Posted by DRFTKNGG
I bet you love that TQ differance. It's like a night and day difference.
Would you say that the updated turbo gives you the extra huff that the evo needs..?
Would you say that the updated turbo gives you the extra huff that the evo needs..?
EVOlutionary
#70
Originally Posted by High_PSI
Congrats, time for a 50 trim
So we'll have to wait and see what the hot ticket in mid-sized units is next spring.
EVOlutionary
#72
I know there are ALOT of turbos coming out each year. I just meant that there are some extremely popular or highly talked about turbos, and they seem to come out every 4-6 months. Now that I think about it, seems like many of them come out in the spring.
So what RPMs do you hit full boost or peak TQ on your 50 trim? What RPM do you hit peak HP?
So what RPMs do you hit full boost or peak TQ on your 50 trim? What RPM do you hit peak HP?
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The 50 trim has yet to be topped? Hmmm........I'd have to argue with that one.
Anyway, Jarrod, very glad you are happy with the tune/power etc. Sorry I missed you when I left. I was honestly 4 hours late leaving the shop, I didn't say anything to you but was suppose to be gone by 12:30. I got a call from home that was, uh, well a call from home reminding me it was 4:30. My wife actually quite college that night.
Anyway, enough of the drama I spoke with Trent yesterday about the outcome of your test drive in his car. Please shoot me a PM and let me know if you need us to build the dual BOV set up for you.
Something else, since this thread went towards cams and degreeing them and such. I had a guy here yesterday with a car that is basically BR Stage 4+AEM+GT35R etc. Someone else did the engine and head.....that's another story. Anyway, the car was making crap for power, it was very frustrating. I was trying to find what the problem was but couldn't come up with anything. I started to think about Curt's car and got out and looked to see if this particular car had cam gears or not. Sure enough it did. Sure enough they were degreed. I told the owner let's try setting the cams back to straight up like I think they should be. The cams were HKS 280's. The intake came was 2 degrees off, as soon as I changed it the knock count in the engine dropped and the car gained 14 whp. Then I moved the exhaust cam which was off 1 degree, car gained another 10 whp. Ended up gaining 27 whp from putting the cams back to 0.
Anyway, Jarrod, very glad you are happy with the tune/power etc. Sorry I missed you when I left. I was honestly 4 hours late leaving the shop, I didn't say anything to you but was suppose to be gone by 12:30. I got a call from home that was, uh, well a call from home reminding me it was 4:30. My wife actually quite college that night.
Anyway, enough of the drama I spoke with Trent yesterday about the outcome of your test drive in his car. Please shoot me a PM and let me know if you need us to build the dual BOV set up for you.
Something else, since this thread went towards cams and degreeing them and such. I had a guy here yesterday with a car that is basically BR Stage 4+AEM+GT35R etc. Someone else did the engine and head.....that's another story. Anyway, the car was making crap for power, it was very frustrating. I was trying to find what the problem was but couldn't come up with anything. I started to think about Curt's car and got out and looked to see if this particular car had cam gears or not. Sure enough it did. Sure enough they were degreed. I told the owner let's try setting the cams back to straight up like I think they should be. The cams were HKS 280's. The intake came was 2 degrees off, as soon as I changed it the knock count in the engine dropped and the car gained 14 whp. Then I moved the exhaust cam which was off 1 degree, car gained another 10 whp. Ended up gaining 27 whp from putting the cams back to 0.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The intake came was 2 degrees off, as soon as I changed it the knock count in the engine dropped and the car gained 14 whp. Then I moved the exhaust cam which was off 1 degree, car gained another 10 whp. Ended up gaining 27 whp from putting the cams back to 0.
Also, 'where they should be' depends upon the application. What works for a 16G is not necessarily the best setting for a GT35R equipped car. There is no such thing as one-cam-timing-fits-all any more than one type of shoe works best for all occasions. We've demonstrated improved cam timings for the same cam set that consistently delivers more power *and* torque than 0/0, and this applies for just about every cam out there.