20g records, Stock Appearing Class etc.....
Aug 19, 2006, 07:45 AM
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spooledevo,
Seeing as the shootout has been around for 14 years and any computer has beenallowed as long as the car met certain visual inspections I'd say............
The ECU is not seen, how does that make a difference on whether or not it is stock appearing?
BTW, we took my RS to another track last night. Really not and humid, was raining on and off. I put my handicapped *** in the car and ran two passes. First one for some odd reason the clutch slipped and I ran a 12.0, I got ticked off and turned the keys over to Trent. He ran a 10.94 at 128.58 mph after a few low 11's. I tried it one more time and ran 11.40 at 126.70. Big difference in drivers that's for sure.
Daniels car, which could almost pass for stock appearing since our GT35R kit has a stock heat shield on it, ran 10.88 at 130 mph, on 93 octane and our alky kit. Pretty happy with that.
Seeing as the shootout has been around for 14 years and any computer has beenallowed as long as the car met certain visual inspections I'd say............
The ECU is not seen, how does that make a difference on whether or not it is stock appearing?
BTW, we took my RS to another track last night. Really not and humid, was raining on and off. I put my handicapped *** in the car and ran two passes. First one for some odd reason the clutch slipped and I ran a 12.0, I got ticked off and turned the keys over to Trent. He ran a 10.94 at 128.58 mph after a few low 11's. I tried it one more time and ran 11.40 at 126.70. Big difference in drivers that's for sure.
Daniels car, which could almost pass for stock appearing since our GT35R kit has a stock heat shield on it, ran 10.88 at 130 mph, on 93 octane and our alky kit. Pretty happy with that.
Aug 19, 2006, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
spooledevo,
Seeing as the shootout has been around for 14 years and any computer has beenallowed as long as the car met certain visual inspections I'd say............
The ECU is not seen, how does that make a difference on whether or not it is stock appearing?
BTW, we took my RS to another track last night. Really not and humid, was raining on and off. I put my handicapped *** in the car and ran two passes. First one for some odd reason the clutch slipped and I ran a 12.0, I got ticked off and turned the keys over to Trent. He ran a 10.94 at 128.58 mph after a few low 11's. I tried it one more time and ran 11.40 at 126.70. Big difference in drivers that's for sure.
Daniels car, which could almost pass for stock appearing since our GT35R kit has a stock heat shield on it, ran 10.88 at 130 mph, on 93 octane and our alky kit. Pretty happy with that.
Seeing as the shootout has been around for 14 years and any computer has beenallowed as long as the car met certain visual inspections I'd say............
The ECU is not seen, how does that make a difference on whether or not it is stock appearing?
BTW, we took my RS to another track last night. Really not and humid, was raining on and off. I put my handicapped *** in the car and ran two passes. First one for some odd reason the clutch slipped and I ran a 12.0, I got ticked off and turned the keys over to Trent. He ran a 10.94 at 128.58 mph after a few low 11's. I tried it one more time and ran 11.40 at 126.70. Big difference in drivers that's for sure.
Daniels car, which could almost pass for stock appearing since our GT35R kit has a stock heat shield on it, ran 10.88 at 130 mph, on 93 octane and our alky kit. Pretty happy with that.
Like I said before I am not hating. I think you are flying with a stock style Turbo. But correct me if I am wrong David are you running without a stock MAF? If so then It would not look stock appearing to me under the hood with out the Stock MAF on front of the Turbo... I can put spray on a car and hide it well enough that you cant see it, dose that make it Stock Appearing???
Aug 19, 2006, 10:10 AM
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Dave what do you think that the 20g 9-5 is capable on a flashed evo 9, cam, intake, TBE, MBC? Would you need the upgraded actuator or will the stock do fine? Looking at 91 and 110 tunes for road racing. Thanks in advance for the answers
Aug 19, 2006, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourdoor
Wow, you can SEE the ECU? Man, are you from Krypton or something?
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Aug 19, 2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by spooledevo
Like I said before I am not hating. I think you are flying with a stock style Turbo. But correct me if I am wrong David are you running without a stock MAF? If so then It would not look stock appearing to me under the hood with out the Stock MAF on front of the Turbo... I can put spray on a car and hide it well enough that you cant see it, dose that make it Stock Appearing???
even though i am an AMS fan, Buschur is putting the beats down on everyone. I cant hate so...great job Buschur
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Originally Posted by spooledevo
Like I said before I am not hating. I think you are flying with a stock style Turbo. But correct me if I am wrong David are you running without a stock MAF? If so then It would not look stock appearing to me under the hood with out the Stock MAF on front of the Turbo... I can put spray on a car and hide it well enough that you cant see it, dose that make it Stock Appearing???
Aug 19, 2006, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrown
What if he just drilled out the stock MAF? Would you be ok with that?
Aug 19, 2006, 10:38 AM
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Hmmmm, lets check the stock apearing rules. If I remember correctly stock apearing DSM's must retain the stock MAS.... but I don't remember that being a rule in the stock apearing EVO class. Let me see if I can find the rules on Buschurs site.
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Aug 19, 2006, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourdoor
Hmmmm, lets check the stock apearing rules. If I remember correctly stock apearing DSM's must retain the stock MAS.... but I don't remember that being a rule in the stock apearing EVO class. Let me see if I can find the rules on Buschurs site.
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No Stock MAF on front of the Turbo is not Stock Appearing no matter ho much you disagree with me. IMO
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Aug 19, 2006, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourdoor
Just checked the rules, even for DSM's stock apearing speed density conversions are OK.... so what is your beef?
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well you just checked the rules....he just said he wasnt sure what the rules were. so its great that you gave us all a little insite...
i dont care what the rules are anyway cause i am not planning on racing in it...but as he said and as i said...."We would THINK that if it didnt look stock then it wouldnt fall in the class"
i mean even the rules sound slightly contradictory
Aug 19, 2006, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by spooledevo
I never was comparing the 2 classes, but thank you for pointing the rules out. Why should the rules be diffrent. I know you can run a upgaded FMIC in the Evo class but not the DSM class, but that is because the EVO comes stock with a FMIC.
No Stock MAF on front of the Turbo is not Stock Appearing no matter ho much you disagree with me. IMO
No Stock MAF on front of the Turbo is not Stock Appearing no matter ho much you disagree with me. IMO
The ONLY things you could change by your "stock apearing" rules would be cams, pistons and rods.... they are out of site.
I can see intercooler pipes, I can see mufflers, I can see MAF sensors.... so none of those can be changed in MY stock apearing class.... now if I put on the event I can run it that way. Until then we will go by Daves rules OK?
Keith
PS: If you are that butt hurt over the ESA rules just lie. It operates on the honor system, and if you can lie about something that petty more power to you and go ahead and compete in ESA next year.
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