Buschur Racing's new 20gLT, EVO Green turbos ready to be ordered.....
Nov 20, 2006 | 01:56 PM
#361
David,
Thanks for the clear answer. I appreciate it.
I never doubted your skills or your abilities. I have been around in the DSM scene years ago just like you and have known about you and your shop before Evos in the US or this site ever existed. I know you have the ability to create fast cars.
But, I like seeing data and numbers. It's the engineer in me. I like using the compressor maps to match the best possible turbo for my applications. There are other factors involved, yes, but that's the way I like doing it. I can't comment on your compressor map issues as I was not there, but that doesn't mean that you just disregard the factual data on them. I know that you like testing and that is obvious by your many threads doing so, but there is still engineering facts and reasons behind why something makes power. Some people don't have the ability to change turbos and setups as often as you do, so they like to see data beforehand for particular parts.
I just don't like comparing other people's numbers with totally different setups. Heck, I think Scott at TTP went 128mph with the stock turbo. Does that mean that no one should upgrade unless they want to go over 128mph? Of course not. You can clearly see that the stock tubo, depending on VE, displacement, and RPM is WAY out of it's efficiency to make that kind of power. But Scott did it, nonetheless.
That's why I'm interested in the map and data. I like data about the turbo, not what the turbo can do on other cars that I don't own nor tune.
Thanks again,
Eric
Thanks for the clear answer. I appreciate it.
I never doubted your skills or your abilities. I have been around in the DSM scene years ago just like you and have known about you and your shop before Evos in the US or this site ever existed. I know you have the ability to create fast cars.
But, I like seeing data and numbers. It's the engineer in me. I like using the compressor maps to match the best possible turbo for my applications. There are other factors involved, yes, but that's the way I like doing it. I can't comment on your compressor map issues as I was not there, but that doesn't mean that you just disregard the factual data on them. I know that you like testing and that is obvious by your many threads doing so, but there is still engineering facts and reasons behind why something makes power. Some people don't have the ability to change turbos and setups as often as you do, so they like to see data beforehand for particular parts.
I just don't like comparing other people's numbers with totally different setups. Heck, I think Scott at TTP went 128mph with the stock turbo. Does that mean that no one should upgrade unless they want to go over 128mph? Of course not. You can clearly see that the stock tubo, depending on VE, displacement, and RPM is WAY out of it's efficiency to make that kind of power. But Scott did it, nonetheless.
That's why I'm interested in the map and data. I like data about the turbo, not what the turbo can do on other cars that I don't own nor tune.
Thanks again,
Eric
Last edited by l2r99gst; Nov 20, 2006 at 02:01 PM.
Nov 20, 2006 | 02:05 PM
#362
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Actually, I can't appreciate wanting to see the compressor map. In 18 years of building 4g63 engines I have honestly looked at maybe 6 compressor maps. Once I actually chose a turbo for one of my applications based on that compressor map and guess what happened? The car didn't work.
I guess what is on paper, because I am an ignorant hillbilly, doesn't matter. What matters is what happens on the track and at the track you will generally find us at the front
I asked Robert about a compressor map to post. He said he had data but not in a graph form as you generally see compressor maps in, so it was not what you guys were asking for. Robert said he was intending on building it into a graph form and was going to work on it.
So the actual answer to the question is, there is no compressor map like you guys want to see as of yet. Robert is working on one.
Sorry for my sarcasm but to be honest after the compressor map is supplied it will just be followed by something else being wanted and then at the end of the day all that is going to really matter is how fast an EVO can be made with this turbo on it.
I guess what is on paper, because I am an ignorant hillbilly, doesn't matter. What matters is what happens on the track and at the track you will generally find us at the front
I asked Robert about a compressor map to post. He said he had data but not in a graph form as you generally see compressor maps in, so it was not what you guys were asking for. Robert said he was intending on building it into a graph form and was going to work on it.
So the actual answer to the question is, there is no compressor map like you guys want to see as of yet. Robert is working on one.
Sorry for my sarcasm but to be honest after the compressor map is supplied it will just be followed by something else being wanted and then at the end of the day all that is going to really matter is how fast an EVO can be made with this turbo on it.
Even the raw data of where the surge line would be would be neat to see
I come from the opposite end of the spectrum, fully a geek so data is interesting to me if i can use it or not 
Nov 27, 2006 | 11:43 PM
#364
Originally Posted by l2r99gst
David,
Thanks for the clear answer. I appreciate it.
I never doubted your skills or your abilities. I have been around in the DSM scene years ago just like you and have known about you and your shop before Evos in the US or this site ever existed. I know you have the ability to create fast cars.
But, I like seeing data and numbers. It's the engineer in me. I like using the compressor maps to match the best possible turbo for my applications. There are other factors involved, yes, but that's the way I like doing it. I can't comment on your compressor map issues as I was not there, but that doesn't mean that you just disregard the factual data on them. I know that you like testing and that is obvious by your many threads doing so, but there is still engineering facts and reasons behind why something makes power. Some people don't have the ability to change turbos and setups as often as you do, so they like to see data beforehand for particular parts.
I just don't like comparing other people's numbers with totally different setups. Heck, I think Scott at TTP went 128mph with the stock turbo. Does that mean that no one should upgrade unless they want to go over 128mph? Of course not. You can clearly see that the stock tubo, depending on VE, displacement, and RPM is WAY out of it's efficiency to make that kind of power. But Scott did it, nonetheless.
That's why I'm interested in the map and data. I like data about the turbo, not what the turbo can do on other cars that I don't own nor tune.
Thanks again,
Eric
Thanks for the clear answer. I appreciate it.
I never doubted your skills or your abilities. I have been around in the DSM scene years ago just like you and have known about you and your shop before Evos in the US or this site ever existed. I know you have the ability to create fast cars.
But, I like seeing data and numbers. It's the engineer in me. I like using the compressor maps to match the best possible turbo for my applications. There are other factors involved, yes, but that's the way I like doing it. I can't comment on your compressor map issues as I was not there, but that doesn't mean that you just disregard the factual data on them. I know that you like testing and that is obvious by your many threads doing so, but there is still engineering facts and reasons behind why something makes power. Some people don't have the ability to change turbos and setups as often as you do, so they like to see data beforehand for particular parts.
I just don't like comparing other people's numbers with totally different setups. Heck, I think Scott at TTP went 128mph with the stock turbo. Does that mean that no one should upgrade unless they want to go over 128mph? Of course not. You can clearly see that the stock tubo, depending on VE, displacement, and RPM is WAY out of it's efficiency to make that kind of power. But Scott did it, nonetheless.
That's why I'm interested in the map and data. I like data about the turbo, not what the turbo can do on other cars that I don't own nor tune.
Thanks again,
Eric
Nov 28, 2006 | 06:37 AM
#368
Cool vid
I've got to get my hands on one of these... with all the data I've obtained from my 20G-9-5 I could make some great comparisons. Not to mention my car is nothing special.. BR stage 4 with 264 cams (stock motor).
TTP: Do you plan on posting any power graphs or dyno plots that I could compare to mine? http://justchil.net/gallery2/d/47239-1/4.gif
I've got to get my hands on one of these... with all the data I've obtained from my 20G-9-5 I could make some great comparisons. Not to mention my car is nothing special.. BR stage 4 with 264 cams (stock motor).
TTP: Do you plan on posting any power graphs or dyno plots that I could compare to mine? http://justchil.net/gallery2/d/47239-1/4.gif
Nov 28, 2006 | 11:37 AM
#370
Originally Posted by justchil
TTP: Do you plan on posting any power graphs or dyno plots that I could compare to mine? http://justchil.net/gallery2/d/47239-1/4.gif
http://tinyurl.com/y57exd
Nov 28, 2006 | 12:20 PM
#373
The car that was in the vid is mine. 2006 IX SE The mods are Buschur 3' TBE with test pipe, Buschur LICP, the 20G-LT with powder coated E-Bay O2 housing, 680 injectors, TTP Meth Kit, K&N drop in filter and Forge MBC. The car was road tuned by TPP. The car feels Great! Lots of power. I have no Dyno numbers because I have no Idea where a AWD Dyno is? I am living in Panama City, FL If anyone knowes where the nearest AWD dyno is down here I am all ears. I just don't want to drive more than an hour and half to put it on a dyno. I think I need a better waste gate because the boost tapers pretty bad. Other that that I love the setup.
Nov 28, 2006 | 02:41 PM
#375
Originally Posted by l2r99gst
Dave,
Didn't Curt run 10's on the stock turbo, too? So, I guess you're saying that this new turbo is just a waste of money. OK
Didn't Curt run 10's on the stock turbo, too? So, I guess you're saying that this new turbo is just a waste of money. OK